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The cynical side of me thinks that companies, particularly in populated areas, don't want to pay for relocation or travel for interviews. Their attitude might

The cynical side of me thinks that companies, particularly in populated areas, don't want to pay for relocation or travel for interviews. Their attitude might be "well, why would we pay for relocation/travel for someone in PA when we can probably find people in SF who already live here".

octorian 8y ago
And if they can't, somehow they'd rather recruit globally and play the visa lottery instead of simply recruiting from elsewhere in their own damn country.
closeparen 8y ago
FWIW, my brand-name SF employer believes that essentially all feasible Bay Area candidates have already been through its pipeline, and that future headcount growth will have to be elsewhere. Unfortunately it’s still not willing to consider remote, or to look anywhere between the top 3 most expensive US cities and the third world. At least the worldwide offices are first-party and have essentially the same people as work in the US, minus visa-related stress. You could say “pay more” but housing is a positional good - that strategy doesn’t scale.
- fapjacks 8y ago
  Well, it's the same thing it's always been about and always will be about as long as there is executive management: Trust is a one-way street.
- orbitur 8y ago
  Just anecdotal of course, but I live in a decent-sized-but-unimportant city and Bay Area recruiters have been hitting my LinkedIn inbox quite a bit in the last few months, when the last time I heard something from them was when I graduated university 6 years ago. My LinkedIn page is just a straight up listing of previous jobs, no descriptions, so I've found that kinda interesting.
awat 8y ago
Going through this myself at the moment. Would love to move from the small city I work in remotely now to a larger city for more tech opportunities. But even within the same large multinational I work for if there isnt a sufficient salary bump compared to cost of living with no relocation leaving my small suburb I come out worse off then I started.
sbov 8y ago
Then they can't complain about a tech shortage I worked for a small self funded startup a decade ago. We flew interview candidates in from across the country.

octorian 8y ago

And if they can't, somehow they'd rather recruit globally and play the visa lottery instead of simply recruiting from elsewhere in their own damn country.

closeparen 8y ago

FWIW, my brand-name SF employer believes that essentially all feasible Bay Area candidates have already been through its pipeline, and that future headcount growth will have to be elsewhere. Unfortunately it’s still not willing to consider remote, or to look anywhere between the top 3 most expensive US cities and the third world. At least the worldwide offices are first-party and have essentially the same people as work in the US, minus visa-related stress. You could say “pay more” but housing is a positional good - that strategy doesn’t scale.

fapjacks 8y ago
Well, it's the same thing it's always been about and always will be about as long as there is executive management: Trust is a one-way street.
orbitur 8y ago
Just anecdotal of course, but I live in a decent-sized-but-unimportant city and Bay Area recruiters have been hitting my LinkedIn inbox quite a bit in the last few months, when the last time I heard something from them was when I graduated university 6 years ago. My LinkedIn page is just a straight up listing of previous jobs, no descriptions, so I've found that kinda interesting.

awat 8y ago

Going through this myself at the moment. Would love to move from the small city I work in remotely now to a larger city for more tech opportunities. But even within the same large multinational I work for if there isnt a sufficient salary bump compared to cost of living with no relocation leaving my small suburb I come out worse off then I started.

sbov 8y ago

Then they can't complain about a tech shortage I worked for a small self funded startup a decade ago. We flew interview candidates in from across the country.