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If I was a government official and decided to host a public event at a private property which I paid for, where the private property said no women allowed (say

If I was a government official and decided to host a public event at a private property which I paid for, where the private property said no women allowed (say it was a private club which allowed to do such), could I use that rules to prevent women from attending the event? Or would the rules of the private property either block me from utilizing them at all or be overridden in regards to my event?

dragonwriter 8y ago
> If I was a government official and decided to host a public event at a private property which I paid for, where the private property said no women allowed (say it was a private club which allowed to do such), could I use that rules to prevent women from attending the event? Even if it were a public forum (which not all public events involving a government official are), I'm not sure that public forum law prohibits sex discrimination as well as viewpoint censorship. I can see an argument that it should (and that it shouldn't), but I don't recall. seeing any case law either way.
Retra 8y ago
Depends on how a judge rules. You could be required to find another venue or to admit women regardless. Either way, the fact that it is a private rule means it is not a public law. The government doesn't have to abide by laws you just made up for yourself on a whim. If I say "no shoes allowed on my private property" the police aren't forced to comply with that, so why would a government official at an event be required to comply with some inane sexist rule?
- icebraining 8y ago
  The police can ignore your rules in certain special cases when they have a legal reason to enter your property without your consent. In normal circumstances, you can certainly deny them entrance if they don't take off their shoes.
  - Retra 8y ago
    No, you can deny them entrance. A "no shoes rule" would be entirely your own device and only of concern to them insofar as it gives you a (personal) reason to deny entrance. It has no legal weight. If you permit them to enter, and you have a no shoes rule posted, they are free to enter with shoes. Because such a sign means fuck all in the world.
- PurpleBoxDragon 8y ago
  The government official isn't the police, but even more so, I'm not talking about the government official, but the random public who attends. I can say they aren't allowed on my property at which point it is a crime for them to be there.
  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    A crime but not a felony nor even a misdemeanor. Trespass is a tort, and I think a 'civil tort'. So unless they're doing damage I don't think they owe anything for this 'crime'.
    - maxerickson 8y ago
      Misdemeanor here: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(2d5ss4y1dr2wfo0uz3r0a3zk))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-552 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(2d5ss4y1dr2wfo0uz3r0a3zk))/... I wouldn't bet against there being some jurisdiction where it is a felony.
  - Retra 8y ago
    If you're the gatekeeper for who can enter and leave, it wouldn't make sense to call it a public event.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> If I was a government official and decided to host a public event at a private property which I paid for, where the private property said no women allowed (say it was a private club which allowed to do such), could I use that rules to prevent women from attending the event? Even if it were a public forum (which not all public events involving a government official are), I'm not sure that public forum law prohibits sex discrimination as well as viewpoint censorship. I can see an argument that it should (and that it shouldn't), but I don't recall. seeing any case law either way.

Retra 8y ago

Depends on how a judge rules. You could be required to find another venue or to admit women regardless. Either way, the fact that it is a private rule means it is not a public law. The government doesn't have to abide by laws you just made up for yourself on a whim. If I say "no shoes allowed on my private property" the police aren't forced to comply with that, so why would a government official at an event be required to comply with some inane sexist rule?

icebraining 8y ago
The police can ignore your rules in certain special cases when they have a legal reason to enter your property without your consent. In normal circumstances, you can certainly deny them entrance if they don't take off their shoes.
- Retra 8y ago
  No, you can deny them entrance. A "no shoes rule" would be entirely your own device and only of concern to them insofar as it gives you a (personal) reason to deny entrance. It has no legal weight. If you permit them to enter, and you have a no shoes rule posted, they are free to enter with shoes. Because such a sign means fuck all in the world.
PurpleBoxDragon 8y ago
The government official isn't the police, but even more so, I'm not talking about the government official, but the random public who attends. I can say they aren't allowed on my property at which point it is a crime for them to be there.
- JoeAltmaier 8y ago
  A crime but not a felony nor even a misdemeanor. Trespass is a tort, and I think a 'civil tort'. So unless they're doing damage I don't think they owe anything for this 'crime'.
  - maxerickson 8y ago
    Misdemeanor here: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(2d5ss4y1dr2wfo0uz3r0a3zk))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-552 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(2d5ss4y1dr2wfo0uz3r0a3zk))/... I wouldn't bet against there being some jurisdiction where it is a felony.
- Retra 8y ago
  If you're the gatekeeper for who can enter and leave, it wouldn't make sense to call it a public event.