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The attack that never happened and/or has never been proven? From the line you yourself posted: "Webb's series led to three federal investigations, none of wh

The attack that never happened and/or has never been proven? From the line you yourself posted: "Webb's series led to three federal investigations, none of which found evidence of any conspiracy by the CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States."

deft 8y ago
You're right, it may not have been proven but based on the amount of coverage and writing on it, there must be some truth behind it. Do you really think these people decided to make it up? And regardless of whether they smuggled the drugs, they knowingly supported the people doing it. Also, I haven't downvoted you and I'm quite confused by the votes on my original comment. Went straight into the negatives and now it's back up.
- reaperducer 8y ago
  >based on the amount of coverage and writing on it, there must be some truth behind it See also: U.F.O.'s, Kennedy Assassination, Illuminati, etc...
- uxp100 8y ago
  > You're right, it may not have been proven but based on the amount of coverage and writing on it, there must be some truth behind it. Seems like a bad way to determine the truth. But either way, even if the crack epidemic was simply a result of the material conditions in the communities it effected, the government is culpable, though perhaps in a somewhat more limited way
- Chaebixi 8y ago
  > You're right, it may not have been proven but based on the amount of coverage and writing on it, there must be some truth behind it. There has also been lots of coverage of Obama not being a natural born American, and thus an illegitimate president. Do you think that means "there must be some truth behind it?" The kind of thinking you displayed in your comment leads to damaging nonsense like birther-ism. Don't go there.
arca_vorago 8y ago
Where do you think the CIA fucking learned it from? MI6 (who learned it in opium wars 1&2) taught to OSS (CIA) how to get funding off books so congress couldn't pull the purse strings and they could do whatever they wanted... and this has indeed been proven multiple times... You are the same kind of person who called us talking about NSA pre-Snowden "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" and then post-Snowden came out with all kinds of variations of "why are you surprised" and "we all already knew this whats the big deal", and "if you've nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" type of bullshit. In the conspiracy theory arena, the main sticking point is that people far too often fail to understand the difference between inductive and deductive logic. In many cases we have very little evidence to go on, so we are forced to transition to inductive logic from deductive... but inevitably those decrying the lack of evidence the loudest tend to ignore the very real legitimacy of inductive logic and it's process when one is presented with a lack of hard evidence.
- panzagl 8y ago
  So MI-6 learned it from wars they were never involved in, then taught it to the US intelligence service during WWII in case they needed it to jail black people? Which the CIA then decided it needed to do 20 years after the Civil Rights movement? Ok.
- walshemj 8y ago
  MI6 didn't exist until just prior to ww1
- jnbiche 8y ago
  Anyone who was paying attention before Snowden knew there was mass surveillance happening. See Room 641A, Stellar Wind, Quest Communication's refusal to cooperate, etc. These were all reported well before Snowden in major media such as the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, etc. I remember many of these were first reported back in 2006. On the other hand, no reports on CIA programs selling crack cocaine to the inner city have ever been described or verified by any major media outlet, as far as I am aware[1]. Nor have I seen any convincing evidence of such a program. But I'm open to any evidence you can show me, if you have any. Also, as someone else pointed out, MI6 wasn't founded until a half century after the Opium Wars. 1. Despite many major media outlets—the same ones who outed programs like Stellar Wind—investigating the claims that the CIA smuggled drugs into black communities, they all found that there was no evidence of such a program.
gowld 8y ago
Federal investigations aren't the only sources of proof when investigating the Federal government.
boomboomsubban 8y ago
If you read further, it also says that by CIA guidelines at the time, you were not required to report on CIA assets smuggling drugs. It's hard to find any evidence when you don't need to keep a record, and any payments made can be written off as part of Iran-Contra.

deft 8y ago

You're right, it may not have been proven but based on the amount of coverage and writing on it, there must be some truth behind it. Do you really think these people decided to make it up? And regardless of whether they smuggled the drugs, they knowingly supported the people doing it. Also, I haven't downvoted you and I'm quite confused by the votes on my original comment. Went straight into the negatives and now it's back up.

reaperducer 8y ago
>based on the amount of coverage and writing on it, there must be some truth behind it See also: U.F.O.'s, Kennedy Assassination, Illuminati, etc...
uxp100 8y ago
> You're right, it may not have been proven but based on the amount of coverage and writing on it, there must be some truth behind it. Seems like a bad way to determine the truth. But either way, even if the crack epidemic was simply a result of the material conditions in the communities it effected, the government is culpable, though perhaps in a somewhat more limited way
Chaebixi 8y ago
> You're right, it may not have been proven but based on the amount of coverage and writing on it, there must be some truth behind it. There has also been lots of coverage of Obama not being a natural born American, and thus an illegitimate president. Do you think that means "there must be some truth behind it?" The kind of thinking you displayed in your comment leads to damaging nonsense like birther-ism. Don't go there.

arca_vorago 8y ago

Where do you think the CIA fucking learned it from? MI6 (who learned it in opium wars 1&2) taught to OSS (CIA) how to get funding off books so congress couldn't pull the purse strings and they could do whatever they wanted... and this has indeed been proven multiple times... You are the same kind of person who called us talking about NSA pre-Snowden "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" and then post-Snowden came out with all kinds of variations of "why are you surprised" and "we all already knew this whats the big deal", and "if you've nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" type of bullshit. In the conspiracy theory arena, the main sticking point is that people far too often fail to understand the difference between inductive and deductive logic. In many cases we have very little evidence to go on, so we are forced to transition to inductive logic from deductive... but inevitably those decrying the lack of evidence the loudest tend to ignore the very real legitimacy of inductive logic and it's process when one is presented with a lack of hard evidence.

panzagl 8y ago
So MI-6 learned it from wars they were never involved in, then taught it to the US intelligence service during WWII in case they needed it to jail black people? Which the CIA then decided it needed to do 20 years after the Civil Rights movement? Ok.
walshemj 8y ago
MI6 didn't exist until just prior to ww1
jnbiche 8y ago
Anyone who was paying attention before Snowden knew there was mass surveillance happening. See Room 641A, Stellar Wind, Quest Communication's refusal to cooperate, etc. These were all reported well before Snowden in major media such as the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, etc. I remember many of these were first reported back in 2006. On the other hand, no reports on CIA programs selling crack cocaine to the inner city have ever been described or verified by any major media outlet, as far as I am aware[1]. Nor have I seen any convincing evidence of such a program. But I'm open to any evidence you can show me, if you have any. Also, as someone else pointed out, MI6 wasn't founded until a half century after the Opium Wars. 1. Despite many major media outlets—the same ones who outed programs like Stellar Wind—investigating the claims that the CIA smuggled drugs into black communities, they all found that there was no evidence of such a program.

gowld 8y ago

Federal investigations aren't the only sources of proof when investigating the Federal government.

boomboomsubban 8y ago

If you read further, it also says that by CIA guidelines at the time, you were not required to report on CIA assets smuggling drugs. It's hard to find any evidence when you don't need to keep a record, and any payments made can be written off as part of Iran-Contra.