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Your assumption that nobody at Apple cares about the customer's privacy and security is completely ridiculous. The fact that they have a setting to wipe your d

Your assumption that nobody at Apple cares about the customer's privacy and security is completely ridiculous. The fact that they have a setting to wipe your device after 10 failed pin/password attempts proves that they care about my security and privacy. There's no other reason to include such a feature. Not to mention the secure enclave in iOS devices (and the MacBook Pro and iMac Pro, I think) or Apple's refusal of FBI requests to assist in unlocking iPhones.

hungerstrike 8y ago
Sure, there’s no such thing as security theater and nobody spends money or effort putting on a show at all anywhere ever.
- wilsonnb 8y ago
  Perhaps you could explain why you think those things are security theater. Then your comment would have some actual substance.
  - hungerstrike 8y ago
    What substance did your comment have? You simply named some examples of actions that Apple has taken which doesn’t prove anything at all to your point since the very definition of security theater is taking actions that make it look like you care about security. The reason I think that they are theater is the same reason that any corporation does things like that. It’s just like Googles bullshit “do no evil” motto. Apple has a long history of doing dramatic things for attention. Do you deny that? So, what’s your reason? Do you take everything that any corporation does at face value, or just Apple?
    - wilsonnb 8y ago
      The substance is that I actually use a security feature that Apple has implemented and it makes my device more secure. That's my justification for saying that Apple cares about security. If it was security theater, then the feature they implement would be for show and not actually make me more secure. I don't believe that's the case. Feel free to prove me wrong. That would count as substance. The burden is then on you to give a reason that you think that wiping my device after 10 failed pin/password attempts is security theater and not just security. Apparently your reasoning is just that "Apple is a corporation and corporations use security theater", which is a terrible argument. It assumes that all corporations do certain things without room for exceptions. It also has nothing to do with the actions themselves. > definition of security theater is taking actions that make it look like you care about security. If the actions you take to make it look like you care about security also happen to make you more secure, is it security theater? Can a company do something that both makes them look good in the public eye and be good for their users? I think they can.
      - hungerstrike 8y ago
        > The substance is that I actually use a security feature that Apple has implemented and it makes my device more secure. You're missing the point entirely. I said that Apple doesn't really care if you're actually secure or not...and your response to that is essentially "well, I feel safe". That says nothing about Apples motivations which is what my assumption centers around. > If the actions you take to make it look like you care about security also happen to make you more secure, is it security theater? And? Again, you're not speaking to motivation at all, which are the target of my assumptions. I can assume anything I want about Apples motivations based on my view of their history and there isn't much you can do to prove or disprove that, which makes your own complaint about my assumptions rather ridiculous. It's a fucking opinion...get over it! > Can a company do something that both makes them look good in the public eye and be good for their users? I think they can. Apparently it's good for some users and not so good for others as in the case of this posters story as well as my own.

hungerstrike 8y ago

Sure, there’s no such thing as security theater and nobody spends money or effort putting on a show at all anywhere ever.

wilsonnb 8y ago
Perhaps you could explain why you think those things are security theater. Then your comment would have some actual substance.
- hungerstrike 8y ago
  What substance did your comment have? You simply named some examples of actions that Apple has taken which doesn’t prove anything at all to your point since the very definition of security theater is taking actions that make it look like you care about security. The reason I think that they are theater is the same reason that any corporation does things like that. It’s just like Googles bullshit “do no evil” motto. Apple has a long history of doing dramatic things for attention. Do you deny that? So, what’s your reason? Do you take everything that any corporation does at face value, or just Apple?
  - wilsonnb 8y ago
    The substance is that I actually use a security feature that Apple has implemented and it makes my device more secure. That's my justification for saying that Apple cares about security. If it was security theater, then the feature they implement would be for show and not actually make me more secure. I don't believe that's the case. Feel free to prove me wrong. That would count as substance. The burden is then on you to give a reason that you think that wiping my device after 10 failed pin/password attempts is security theater and not just security. Apparently your reasoning is just that "Apple is a corporation and corporations use security theater", which is a terrible argument. It assumes that all corporations do certain things without room for exceptions. It also has nothing to do with the actions themselves. > definition of security theater is taking actions that make it look like you care about security. If the actions you take to make it look like you care about security also happen to make you more secure, is it security theater? Can a company do something that both makes them look good in the public eye and be good for their users? I think they can.
    - hungerstrike 8y ago
      > The substance is that I actually use a security feature that Apple has implemented and it makes my device more secure. You're missing the point entirely. I said that Apple doesn't really care if you're actually secure or not...and your response to that is essentially "well, I feel safe". That says nothing about Apples motivations which is what my assumption centers around. > If the actions you take to make it look like you care about security also happen to make you more secure, is it security theater? And? Again, you're not speaking to motivation at all, which are the target of my assumptions. I can assume anything I want about Apples motivations based on my view of their history and there isn't much you can do to prove or disprove that, which makes your own complaint about my assumptions rather ridiculous. It's a fucking opinion...get over it! > Can a company do something that both makes them look good in the public eye and be good for their users? I think they can. Apparently it's good for some users and not so good for others as in the case of this posters story as well as my own.