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What data are you referring to?

jacobmoe 8y ago
You could easily come up with data that might be interesting to look at when discussing this question: - are college liberals more or less likely to answer survey questions supportive of free speech than they were in the past - has the annual rate of incidents of college activist excesses (such as violence over unwelcome speech) been increasing over time, or has the media environment just made it seem that way? - are liberals more or less likely to support free speech than conservatives? and so on. All we hear about is the same few anecdotes over and over again. Don't get me wrong, if there has been backsliding on support for free speech on the left than it's something I think we should be concerned about. I'm just not convinced that the panic we're seeing is justified. Certainly not when you compare this problem to the other problems we're currently facing as a society. edit: formatting edit: ironic that I've found no other topic on the internet where people are more likely to downvote you without engaging in reasoned debate than on the question of whether _other people_ are willing enough to engage in reasoned debate.
- mpweiher 8y ago
  > You could easily come up with data Yes, you could. And it's been done: The Skeptics are Wrong Part 1-3: Attitudes About Free Speech On Campus are Changing https://heterodoxacademy.org/skeptics-are-wrong-about-campus-speech/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/skeptics-are-wrong-about-campus... https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-skeptics-are-wrong-part-2/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-skeptics-are-wrong-part-2/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-skeptics-are-wrong-part-3-intolerance-levels-are-high/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-skeptics-are-wrong-part-3-i... You're welcome! :-)
  - jacobmoe 8y ago
    Thanks, I'll look at this, though I would advise retaining some skepticism when evaluating data from a single source, especially when that data is confirmatory of that source's stated mission. Here's some more to evaluate: http://jmrphy.net/blog/2018/02/16/who-is-afraid-of-free-speech/ http://jmrphy.net/blog/2018/02/16/who-is-afraid-of-free-spee...
    - mpweiher 8y ago
      You might want to consider that the stated mission was a product of the data, particularly in the case of the heterodox academy. Not everything is a partisan slugfest.

You could easily come up with data that might be interesting to look at when discussing this question: - are college liberals more or less likely to answer survey questions supportive of free speech than they were in the past - has the annual rate of incidents of college activist excesses (such as violence over unwelcome speech) been increasing over time, or has the media environment just made it seem that way? - are liberals more or less likely to support free speech than conservatives? and so on. All we hear about is the same few anecdotes over and over again. Don't get me wrong, if there has been backsliding on support for free speech on the left than it's something I think we should be concerned about. I'm just not convinced that the panic we're seeing is justified. Certainly not when you compare this problem to the other problems we're currently facing as a society. edit: formatting edit: ironic that I've found no other topic on the internet where people are more likely to downvote you without engaging in reasoned debate than on the question of whether _other people_ are willing enough to engage in reasoned debate.

mpweiher 8y ago
> You could easily come up with data Yes, you could. And it's been done: The Skeptics are Wrong Part 1-3: Attitudes About Free Speech On Campus are Changing https://heterodoxacademy.org/skeptics-are-wrong-about-campus-speech/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/skeptics-are-wrong-about-campus... https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-skeptics-are-wrong-part-2/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-skeptics-are-wrong-part-2/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-skeptics-are-wrong-part-3-intolerance-levels-are-high/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-skeptics-are-wrong-part-3-i... You're welcome! :-)
- jacobmoe 8y ago
  Thanks, I'll look at this, though I would advise retaining some skepticism when evaluating data from a single source, especially when that data is confirmatory of that source's stated mission. Here's some more to evaluate: http://jmrphy.net/blog/2018/02/16/who-is-afraid-of-free-speech/ http://jmrphy.net/blog/2018/02/16/who-is-afraid-of-free-spee...
  - mpweiher 8y ago
    You might want to consider that the stated mission was a product of the data, particularly in the case of the heterodox academy. Not everything is a partisan slugfest.