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You realize that massive refugee influx directly affects topics such as housing, equality, welfare - right?

sgift 8y ago
Only in the dreams of some people where all of these were not massive problems before. Sure, more people may make some very small dent on these issues, but nothing remotely relevant. Despite all the fear-mongering there has not been a "massive" refugee influx, but a very, very small one. This is an age-old strategy of "make sure those who have less fight each other for scraps instead of asking the rich to pay their fair share."
- sparkling 8y ago
  First: I appreciate you actually making a point, instead of just down voting other opinions. They were massive problems before, i agree, but adding more than 1 million refugees over the course of 2 years (in the case of Germany) adds a very real problem to the housing market and we should be honest about that. You can not blame so called right wing populists for hoping on this issue if other parties fail to even talk about it.
  - pluma 8y ago
    I'm German and I have no idea why you think the refugee crisis would pose a "very real problem to the housing market". The housing market hasn't changed much. There's plenty of vacant housing in Germany. It's just not in the places people want to live anymore (i.e. mostly rural East Germany). Housing is scarce in the urban areas but that didn't really change. The 1 million number sounds scary in isolation but it's really just a drop in the bucket. The real problem is our attitude to refugees and our immigration laws: a lot of people are stuck in a legal limbo where they are forced to live off welfare because they're not allowed to seek employment or attend craft schools or universities, many who are technically allowed to do those things only have temporary visas that get extended quarter-to-quarter but could be discontinued at any point. This creates a lot of unnecessary uncertainty while also isolating them socially, hindering "integration", which in turn increases frustration and all kinds of social ills. Additionally, our welfare system is based on the assumption of a growing population but our birth rates are too low, so immigration is actually necessary. There's a lot of untapped potential in the refugee crisis, our attitudes just need to change to see it as an opportunity rather than a problem.
musage 8y ago
You're realize you're just squaring those who have it bad against each other, instead of all them against those who are are actively making those issues worse not because they are desperate to survive, but out of sheer greed --- right?

Only in the dreams of some people where all of these were not massive problems before. Sure, more people may make some very small dent on these issues, but nothing remotely relevant. Despite all the fear-mongering there has not been a "massive" refugee influx, but a very, very small one. This is an age-old strategy of "make sure those who have less fight each other for scraps instead of asking the rich to pay their fair share."

sparkling 8y ago
First: I appreciate you actually making a point, instead of just down voting other opinions. They were massive problems before, i agree, but adding more than 1 million refugees over the course of 2 years (in the case of Germany) adds a very real problem to the housing market and we should be honest about that. You can not blame so called right wing populists for hoping on this issue if other parties fail to even talk about it.
- pluma 8y ago
  I'm German and I have no idea why you think the refugee crisis would pose a "very real problem to the housing market". The housing market hasn't changed much. There's plenty of vacant housing in Germany. It's just not in the places people want to live anymore (i.e. mostly rural East Germany). Housing is scarce in the urban areas but that didn't really change. The 1 million number sounds scary in isolation but it's really just a drop in the bucket. The real problem is our attitude to refugees and our immigration laws: a lot of people are stuck in a legal limbo where they are forced to live off welfare because they're not allowed to seek employment or attend craft schools or universities, many who are technically allowed to do those things only have temporary visas that get extended quarter-to-quarter but could be discontinued at any point. This creates a lot of unnecessary uncertainty while also isolating them socially, hindering "integration", which in turn increases frustration and all kinds of social ills. Additionally, our welfare system is based on the assumption of a growing population but our birth rates are too low, so immigration is actually necessary. There's a lot of untapped potential in the refugee crisis, our attitudes just need to change to see it as an opportunity rather than a problem.

musage 8y ago

You're realize you're just squaring those who have it bad against each other, instead of all them against those who are are actively making those issues worse not because they are desperate to survive, but out of sheer greed --- right?