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Destroyed? The account does not work anymore, but the device is doing exactly as told. However i agree any electronic device should have the ability to factory

Destroyed? The account does not work anymore, but the device is doing exactly as told. However i agree any electronic device should have the ability to factory reset. Software lock ins are terrible.

mantas 8y ago
Functionality like this is pretty good to deter theft. If thieves can't easily re-enable bricked devices, black market price is much lower, thus there's less incentive to mug people carrying those devices.
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- vectorEQ 8y ago
  anti-theft should never impact user experience in such negative way. there are different ways to let the user be in control of this anti-theft technology which are much more user friendly and less prone to these kind of situations.
  - madeofpalk 8y ago
    There certainly is. Don't enable the PIN code. Security, almost by definition, makes the user experience harder and worse.
    - cannam 8y ago
      Trouble is, a PIN code is useful as a very casual line of defence (threat model: your brother picking up the device and messing with your stuff). It's terrible that the obvious means to avoid that threat is also something that could lose you access to your device entirely.
      - lathiat 8y ago
        That's actually not the case, the PIN doesn't lock out your iOS device. iCloud Activation Lock does. It requires that if you factory reset the device (without first disabling icloud activation lock), you must authenticate with the same iCloud account it was previously using to "unlock" it. This is designed precisely to make stolen iOS devices (and logic boards) worthless. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201365 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201365
  - matthewmacleod 8y ago
    Well, I'm interested to know what they are. At some fundamental level, how do you ensure the security of a device if you can't verify that it's the owner who is trying to access it?
  - mantas 8y ago
    Growing up in relatively rough whereabouts, anti-theft IS user experience. Of course, there must be a reasonable way for legitimate user to get his device back on. But reading the article, it looks like OP had quite a bad luck to loose all those recovery points :|
pacificmint 8y ago
> the device is doing exactly as told. As told by whom? It certainly wasn't told to lock up by it's rightful owners. It's not even clear if Apple actually intended this, or if it was some weird side effect.
- drdaeman 8y ago
  The rightful owner of the software on device is Apple. And they've coded the software this way, and are most likely to know about "45 (46, 48) years" effect so even if this behavior was unintentional - it's acceptable for them.

Destroyed? The account does not work anymore, but the device is doing exactly as told. However i agree any electronic device should have the ability to factory reset. Software lock ins are terrible.

mantas 8y ago

Functionality like this is pretty good to deter theft. If thieves can't easily re-enable bricked devices, black market price is much lower, thus there's less incentive to mug people carrying those devices.

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vectorEQ 8y ago
anti-theft should never impact user experience in such negative way. there are different ways to let the user be in control of this anti-theft technology which are much more user friendly and less prone to these kind of situations.
- madeofpalk 8y ago
  There certainly is. Don't enable the PIN code. Security, almost by definition, makes the user experience harder and worse.
  - cannam 8y ago
    Trouble is, a PIN code is useful as a very casual line of defence (threat model: your brother picking up the device and messing with your stuff). It's terrible that the obvious means to avoid that threat is also something that could lose you access to your device entirely.
    - lathiat 8y ago
      That's actually not the case, the PIN doesn't lock out your iOS device. iCloud Activation Lock does. It requires that if you factory reset the device (without first disabling icloud activation lock), you must authenticate with the same iCloud account it was previously using to "unlock" it. This is designed precisely to make stolen iOS devices (and logic boards) worthless. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201365 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201365
- matthewmacleod 8y ago
  Well, I'm interested to know what they are. At some fundamental level, how do you ensure the security of a device if you can't verify that it's the owner who is trying to access it?
- mantas 8y ago
  Growing up in relatively rough whereabouts, anti-theft IS user experience. Of course, there must be a reasonable way for legitimate user to get his device back on. But reading the article, it looks like OP had quite a bad luck to loose all those recovery points :|

pacificmint 8y ago

> the device is doing exactly as told. As told by whom? It certainly wasn't told to lock up by it's rightful owners. It's not even clear if Apple actually intended this, or if it was some weird side effect.

drdaeman 8y ago
The rightful owner of the software on device is Apple. And they've coded the software this way, and are most likely to know about "45 (46, 48) years" effect so even if this behavior was unintentional - it's acceptable for them.