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Is it unusual that HN discusses violins so often? Seems like this comes up a lot. One common theme is that extremely expensive old violins aren't better than
by geebee 8y ago
Is it unusual that HN discusses violins so often? Seems like this comes up a lot.
One common theme is that extremely expensive old violins aren't better than modern, well crafted violins (these new violins are still expensive, but measured in the tens of thousands, not millions).
While this doesn't surprise me, I do wonder if it misses (to some extent) the point. My guess is that a mass produced, relatively inexpensive violin could very well be as "good" as a more expensive, unique one. But one thing we know about artisanal work is that it's expensive because it's unique and can't be produced through mass production, not because it is strictly better.
I like violins, and play them, mainly early jazz, Irish, bluegrass. It's clear to me that different people are looking for different things in a violin, and that you may not get this from a mass produced instrument. It's not that the more expensive one is better in a blind test, it's that it produces a tone that is hard to find in most instruments, and because it's fairly unique, you'll only find it in an older instrument or a hand crafted one.
This article is interesting, in the idea that some violins are altos and some are baritones. This ins't surprising, we know that violins (and other musical instruments) excel in different registers, and that there are often trade offs (volume, tone, brightness, richness).
Part of the problem, for me, is that I just don't get to play very many violins. I don't feel ok about going to a high end violin store and playing their instruments all afternoon.
But personally, I am on the lookout for something. One thing I really like about Irish music is the airs - slower pieces with long, often open notes, that often aren't played with vibrato (sometimes they can't be directly played with vibrato, since there is extensive use of open strings).
I don't want to get into a big debate about whether vibrato "should" be used in Irish airs on fiddle, cause my opinion is go ahead, if you like it. But to me, there's something about the way a note can ring, almost like a bell, that you can achieve when you draw the bow properly across the string at a particular harmonic, but don't add any additional vibrato.
This article has me thinking there's probably an analogy to the human voice here as well. Baritones, Altos, but there's definitely a style of singing (common in cathedral choirs) that relies on a pinpoint "ring" rather than an operatic vibrato.
This article makes me thing there probably are some styles of violin that would excel at producing these notes. Downside, I don't have $10,000+ to spend, and I doubt a high end shop would enjoy me running this experiment on their inventory.
- Retric 8y agoThose million dollar violins where 'mass produced' in that they had similar production methods as modern five figure instruments. Basically the market for 10,000$ instruments is not enough to pay for full automation and they would be worth less with automation, so it's still mostly hand crafted. Outside of a few odd pieces like unique 3d printed designs. However, automation generally results in higher quality items with fewer defects. So, hand crafted is more likely a selling point without any actual benefit for the product.
- Meerax 8y agoWhile you can automate the bulk production of instruments, you cannot make anything truly great. A core principal of making a violin is graduation of the plates with utmost care and consideration of the woods being used. For example: If I take 10year old sub 5k ft altitude american spruce and 100yr old +5k Alpine spruce and have a machine carve them out I will get dramatically different tonal results. And that's before I change all of it by varnishing. Automation may be good for sheer volume, but in this case it will never be good for uniform "higher quality".
- dbcurtis 8y ago> However, automation generally results in higher quality items with fewer defects. So, hand crafted is more likely a selling point without any actual benefit for the product. Ummm.... no. Every piece of wood is different. CNC gets you a "violin shaped object", not a violin. It is the plate tuning and set-up that finalizes the instrument, not the mold shape that you start with. There are decent factory fiddles, but they tend to be heavy in the wood and dull sounding. A nice workshop instrument is much more of a joy to play. ("bench built" == master luthier, "workshop" == one of the aprentices got his fiddle approved by the master, "factory fiddle" == mostly automated, "VSO" == violin shaped object) There are a lot of good luthiers working today. My daughter has now (and her previous fiddle was) a Ming Zhang Zhou workshop instrument. Very nice, under $3k budget. Huge difference between that and a CNC special. Don't get me started on bows.... once I was waiting for an adjustment to my instrument, and was just going through the bow showroom trying stuff. I picked up one that amazed me! I felt like it played itself! Made the instrument come alive with power! I glanced at the price tag and realized I had gotten into the $5K and up drawer by accident....