> ...thus gets to the heart of the actual empirical disagreements between them. I'm not sure the disagreement (between bears and bulls) is necessarily to be fo

> ...thus gets to the heart of the actual empirical disagreements between them. I'm not sure the disagreement (between bears and bulls) is necessarily to be found in a different outlook on the future. One can conclude all those conditions are likely to be met in the future and yet be bearish on the stock. I'm overall optimistic on Tesla as a business, yet it seems my optimism is already fully factored in...no real upside, which is surprising given the risks.