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> - Around 40% of their cash in hand is from refundable deposits, from people who thought they would get a $35k car Do you have a source on the amount of peopl

> - Around 40% of their cash in hand is from refundable deposits, from people who thought they would get a $35k car Do you have a source on the amount of people who "thought they would get a $35k car?" Autopilot itself has always been an add-on feature that costs money. > It is universally accepted that enhanced autopilot is worse than mobileye's system right now, and in general both are basically lane-keeping system with AEB. Waymo and GM/Cruise are far ahead with their FSD capabilities than Tesla(again, widely accepted) What? It's generally accepted that AP2/2.5 is now in general better than AP1. From first hand experience, the lane keeping and the ability to perform on local roads/ramps is far better than what AP1 cars can do. I believe the only thing that AP1 does that AP2/2.5 does not yet do is read speed limit signs. AP1 also shows cars adjacent lanes on the dash, which AP2/2.5 does just fine when you use the turn indicators to do an Auto Lane Change

FireBeyond 8y ago
> What? It's generally accepted that AP2/2.5 is now in general better than AP1. As of when? As recently as 3-6 months ago, forums were decrying how much worse it was, YouTube videos famously show the car swerving on clearly marked roads, etc.
- audionemesis 8y ago
  As of around mid-March. https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/974704734073274368 https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/974704734073274368
  - addicted 8y ago
    The tweet and the responses only talk about how much of an improvement it is over the previous Tesla Autopilot. There is no mention of how it compares to the MobileEye version.
    - Zarel 8y ago
      That tweet links to this article: https://electrek.co/2018/03/16/tesla-autopilot-update-first-drive-videos/ https://electrek.co/2018/03/16/tesla-autopilot-update-first-... Which contains the line: > In general, most drivers now seem to agree that Tesla’s Autopilot 2.0 has surpassed the Autopilot 1.0 powered by Mobileye – something that has been debated for the better part of a year now.
Shivetya 8y ago
I thought they lumped all deposits together from all pending products, so how much of that is from the semi and new sports car? Is there a breakout on each deposit that an investor can see? edit: the tesla sportscar was a 250k (5k up front +245 wire transfer) reservation for 1000 accounts. All those past 1000 have to reserve at 50k. Semi deposits are 5k each
otalp 8y ago
>It's generally accepted that AP2/2.5 is now in general better than AP1 Not in most forums/amongst most owners https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/83vtk8/autopilot_1_vs_2_side_by_side/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/83vtk8/autopil... Most tests show that AP 2 does a few things better, but is less reliable overall. >the amount of people who "thought they would get a $35k car?" That is not publicly available data. However on Twitter Musk said that he refused to answer the analyst question about reservations because it would make Tesla look bad as people were still waiting for different models. I think it's more likely most people are waiting out for a cheaper car than a more expensive one.

FireBeyond 8y ago

> What? It's generally accepted that AP2/2.5 is now in general better than AP1. As of when? As recently as 3-6 months ago, forums were decrying how much worse it was, YouTube videos famously show the car swerving on clearly marked roads, etc.

audionemesis 8y ago
As of around mid-March. https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/974704734073274368 https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/974704734073274368
- addicted 8y ago
  The tweet and the responses only talk about how much of an improvement it is over the previous Tesla Autopilot. There is no mention of how it compares to the MobileEye version.
  - Zarel 8y ago
    That tweet links to this article: https://electrek.co/2018/03/16/tesla-autopilot-update-first-drive-videos/ https://electrek.co/2018/03/16/tesla-autopilot-update-first-... Which contains the line: > In general, most drivers now seem to agree that Tesla’s Autopilot 2.0 has surpassed the Autopilot 1.0 powered by Mobileye – something that has been debated for the better part of a year now.

Shivetya 8y ago

I thought they lumped all deposits together from all pending products, so how much of that is from the semi and new sports car? Is there a breakout on each deposit that an investor can see? edit: the tesla sportscar was a 250k (5k up front +245 wire transfer) reservation for 1000 accounts. All those past 1000 have to reserve at 50k. Semi deposits are 5k each

otalp 8y ago

>It's generally accepted that AP2/2.5 is now in general better than AP1 Not in most forums/amongst most owners https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/83vtk8/autopilot_1_vs_2_side_by_side/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/83vtk8/autopil... Most tests show that AP 2 does a few things better, but is less reliable overall. >the amount of people who "thought they would get a $35k car?" That is not publicly available data. However on Twitter Musk said that he refused to answer the analyst question about reservations because it would make Tesla look bad as people were still waiting for different models. I think it's more likely most people are waiting out for a cheaper car than a more expensive one.