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> If Rekognition is not reined in, its use is also certain to spread The tech isn't new and certainly not limited to Amazon, it's going to exist regardless of

> If Rekognition is not reined in, its use is also certain to spread The tech isn't new and certainly not limited to Amazon, it's going to exist regardless of whether Amazon wants to be the one providing the APIs

codazoda 8y ago
I agree that it's going to happen with or without Amazon but I'd rather not support this system.
- bpicolo 8y ago
  Limiting the power of surveillance is only going to come in the form of passing laws, there's always somebody willing to build the tech for the military industrial complex. It's lucrative
  - CompanionCuuube 8y ago
    Law enforcement is not part of the military.
    - bpicolo 8y ago
      Call it the police industrial complex if you want (some people do), but it's all the same thing.
- maldeh 8y ago
  It's possible that in the short term, Amazon could be changing the economics of mass surveillance, making it more feasible for police departments that could not afford such tech before. But at this point, I think a change of dynamic is important, and that we actually _need_ an 800 pound gorilla to frighten us, before people wake up and start demanding action at the state and federal level. It's already been half a decade since the UK surveillance regime and the reality of mass surveillance was opened to us, yet nobody batted an eyelid in the US. Meanwhile, facial recognition has improved by an order of magnitude and has already silently been seeing deployment everywhere around us. I'm being led to believe that unless we have a public poster boy to rally against, the situation isn't going to change.
  - fixermark 8y ago
    Speaking of which: how have things gone with the UK's experiment? Maybe I'm not plugged into the right channels, but I haven't heard any news about "London falsely jails thousands of people due to false-positives on the camera surveillance network" or "the Crown finds and jails protesters by the thousands."
    - maldeh 8y ago
      Last I heard, it got mired in legal issues, and was recently tossed out by the courts [0]. (Something that's not quite as likely in the US due to the EU being more privacy-conscious, and would require mass outrage and an act of congress to deflect) [0] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/uk-mass-digital-surveillance-regime-ruled-unlawful-appeal-ruling-snoopers-charter https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/uk-mass-digi...

codazoda 8y ago

I agree that it's going to happen with or without Amazon but I'd rather not support this system.

bpicolo 8y ago
Limiting the power of surveillance is only going to come in the form of passing laws, there's always somebody willing to build the tech for the military industrial complex. It's lucrative
- CompanionCuuube 8y ago
  Law enforcement is not part of the military.
  - bpicolo 8y ago
    Call it the police industrial complex if you want (some people do), but it's all the same thing.
maldeh 8y ago
It's possible that in the short term, Amazon could be changing the economics of mass surveillance, making it more feasible for police departments that could not afford such tech before. But at this point, I think a change of dynamic is important, and that we actually _need_ an 800 pound gorilla to frighten us, before people wake up and start demanding action at the state and federal level. It's already been half a decade since the UK surveillance regime and the reality of mass surveillance was opened to us, yet nobody batted an eyelid in the US. Meanwhile, facial recognition has improved by an order of magnitude and has already silently been seeing deployment everywhere around us. I'm being led to believe that unless we have a public poster boy to rally against, the situation isn't going to change.
- fixermark 8y ago
  Speaking of which: how have things gone with the UK's experiment? Maybe I'm not plugged into the right channels, but I haven't heard any news about "London falsely jails thousands of people due to false-positives on the camera surveillance network" or "the Crown finds and jails protesters by the thousands."
  - maldeh 8y ago
    Last I heard, it got mired in legal issues, and was recently tossed out by the courts [0]. (Something that's not quite as likely in the US due to the EU being more privacy-conscious, and would require mass outrage and an act of congress to deflect) [0] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/uk-mass-digital-surveillance-regime-ruled-unlawful-appeal-ruling-snoopers-charter https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/uk-mass-digi...