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Why does the entire system need to be "fixed?" Imprisoning criminals are the #1 way to reduce crime. Enabling responsible individuals to escape that Hell is a g

by ihsw2 8y ago

Why does the entire system need to be "fixed?" Imprisoning criminals are the #1 way to reduce crime. Enabling responsible individuals to escape that Hell is a good thing that is easy to accomplish, whereas teaching large swaths of the prison population to act responsibly is impossible.

dpark 8y ago
Have you considered that perhaps prison shouldn’t be hell? To my knowledge there is no evidence that horrible prisons in any way reduce crime vs decent prisons. I believe there’s quite a bit of evidence in the other direction, and that prisons which emphasize learning life skills rather than surviving hell reduce recidivism.
- SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
  You’re arguing the idea of 3 hots and a cot - vs reality of prison. A “nice” prison isn’t someplace you want to be.
  - dpark 8y ago
    Of course not, which is the point. No one wants to be in prison. Making prison a horrible place of violence and rape doesn’t make recidivism less likely.
    - logfromblammo 8y ago
      If anything, the violent criminals that do reoffend will be more willing to do additional, more severe crimes to avoid capture. Instead of surrendering, the criminal might carjack someone and lead a high-speed chase, where the criminal is more likely to either escape or die than return to prison. Making prisons low-key torture facilities doesn't help anyone other than the "tough on crime" politicians that encourage such conditions in order to get cheap votes from people whose moral development is at Kohlberg's stage 4 or lower.
- ihsw2 8y ago
  Rehabilitation is unrelated to improving the stability and security of society.
Cthulhu_ 8y ago
> Imprisoning criminals are the #1 way to reduce crime. Citation needed. What about reducing poverty? Why do people steal? Ask yourself that first before going for the more authoritaxn option of just locking people away - in a lot of cases, the damages caused by the crime are less than the cost of having someone locked up (paid for by the taxpayer).
- ihsw2 8y ago
  Reducing poverty and figuring out why people steal is unrelated to improving the safety and stability of society.

by ihsw2 8y ago

dpark 8y ago

Have you considered that perhaps prison shouldn’t be hell? To my knowledge there is no evidence that horrible prisons in any way reduce crime vs decent prisons. I believe there’s quite a bit of evidence in the other direction, and that prisons which emphasize learning life skills rather than surviving hell reduce recidivism.

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
You’re arguing the idea of 3 hots and a cot - vs reality of prison. A “nice” prison isn’t someplace you want to be.
- dpark 8y ago
  Of course not, which is the point. No one wants to be in prison. Making prison a horrible place of violence and rape doesn’t make recidivism less likely.
  - logfromblammo 8y ago
    If anything, the violent criminals that do reoffend will be more willing to do additional, more severe crimes to avoid capture. Instead of surrendering, the criminal might carjack someone and lead a high-speed chase, where the criminal is more likely to either escape or die than return to prison. Making prisons low-key torture facilities doesn't help anyone other than the "tough on crime" politicians that encourage such conditions in order to get cheap votes from people whose moral development is at Kohlberg's stage 4 or lower.
ihsw2 8y ago
Rehabilitation is unrelated to improving the stability and security of society.

Cthulhu_ 8y ago

> Imprisoning criminals are the #1 way to reduce crime. Citation needed. What about reducing poverty? Why do people steal? Ask yourself that first before going for the more authoritaxn option of just locking people away - in a lot of cases, the damages caused by the crime are less than the cost of having someone locked up (paid for by the taxpayer).

ihsw2 8y ago
Reducing poverty and figuring out why people steal is unrelated to improving the safety and stability of society.