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> Once your rent hits $2700/mo, you are no longer stabilized. That's actually not true. At $2700, landlords have the option to petition for deregulation, but t

> Once your rent hits $2700/mo, you are no longer stabilized. That's actually not true. At $2700, landlords have the option to petition for deregulation, but there's no guarantee that they'll succeed. Under $2700, they can't petition for a high rent deregulation. The income threshold also only kicks in at this threshold, so a unit rented for $2000 can be occupied by a person who makes $500,000/year, and there's nothing that the landlord can do about it. In addition, I'd have to check, but I believe the increase for the two years before DeBlasio was reelected was 0% for single-year leases.

busterarm 8y ago
They don't have to bother with that, they just don't renew your lease or use the court to evict you and the apartment automatically becomes unregulated. I've seen this happen in building after building going on 20 years now. Usually they just wait for a few tenants to hit around 2500/mo and then stop renewing leases and let the vacancy rate pull the rents over the threshold for them. It's really easy. (Note: they also lowered the tenant's personal income threshold in 2015 to ~200k/yr for two consecutive years)
- chimeracoder 8y ago
  > They don't have to bother with that, they just don't renew your lease They are required to renew the leases of stabilized tenants. > or use the court to evict you and the apartment automatically becomes unregulated. Nope, the apartment is still regulated even if they re-rent it. They have to go through the deregulation process through the courts if they want to take it off rent regulations.
  - busterarm 8y ago
    > They are required to renew the leases of stabilized tenants. Most public benefit programs in NYC require you keep on-file a current lease agreement. Withholding a paper lease is a deliberate tactic to make people choose between keeping their apartment and keeping their benefits. I mean, we can keep doing this back and forth about where we agree on how things should work and I'll agree with you, but then I can tell you about how my family or I have been going to court with our landlord at least every other year since the late 80s. I am a rent controlled tenant in a 95% rent stabilized building and the landlord does incredibly shady shit to try and get myself and others out. In fact we're going through the regular "didn't pay rent" routine right now that will bring me to court again probably this August or September -- the bank checks that I send certified mail every month are being refused delivery by the management company again.
    - namibj 8y ago
      The European way of paying rent, e.g. recurring wires, has the benefit that the recipient can't just refuse the physical object. And for legally binding documents the tenant has to deliver within a deadline, he can, if it's that bad (at least in Germany), pay a court bailiff to deliver the document and certify this delivery. That is legally binding on the date it is put in the mailbox.
      - busterarm 8y ago
        I agree wholeheartedly and it seems like it would be nice to live in a civilized part of the world like Germany instead of my city and country of origin.
        namibj 8y ago
        Move here. It's not that difficult if you want it, and have the skill needed to find someone to marry. The legal system here is (almost) still 'rule of law', and the constitutional court has a history of voiding the police state laws that crop up. Well, unless you are in Bavaria. I'd advise against setting foot on that state. The arrest laws there are about as bad as civil forfeiture, except that they can at worst lock up what you have on you, instead of being able to turn it into funds. Also you, once you are a citizen, don't have to worry about your employer firing you or so, if you can sit that out in a frugal lifestyle. Landlords here actually like non-agressive social-benefits tenants, as the rent get's wired directly by the state and the benefits won't pay for an apartment in an expensive area anyway, which, combined with the apparently rather liberal zoning, as far as high-rise buildings are concerned, makes the situation rather bearable.
      - chimeracoder 8y ago
        > And for legally binding documents the tenant has to deliver within a deadline, he can, if it's that bad (at least in Germany), pay a court bailiff to deliver the document and certify this delivery. That's true in the US as well, but again, the point is that a landlord who wants to make your life hell and drag you through the court system has plenty of opportunities to do so.

busterarm 8y ago

They don't have to bother with that, they just don't renew your lease or use the court to evict you and the apartment automatically becomes unregulated. I've seen this happen in building after building going on 20 years now. Usually they just wait for a few tenants to hit around 2500/mo and then stop renewing leases and let the vacancy rate pull the rents over the threshold for them. It's really easy. (Note: they also lowered the tenant's personal income threshold in 2015 to ~200k/yr for two consecutive years)

chimeracoder 8y ago
> They don't have to bother with that, they just don't renew your lease They are required to renew the leases of stabilized tenants. > or use the court to evict you and the apartment automatically becomes unregulated. Nope, the apartment is still regulated even if they re-rent it. They have to go through the deregulation process through the courts if they want to take it off rent regulations.
- busterarm 8y ago
  > They are required to renew the leases of stabilized tenants. Most public benefit programs in NYC require you keep on-file a current lease agreement. Withholding a paper lease is a deliberate tactic to make people choose between keeping their apartment and keeping their benefits. I mean, we can keep doing this back and forth about where we agree on how things should work and I'll agree with you, but then I can tell you about how my family or I have been going to court with our landlord at least every other year since the late 80s. I am a rent controlled tenant in a 95% rent stabilized building and the landlord does incredibly shady shit to try and get myself and others out. In fact we're going through the regular "didn't pay rent" routine right now that will bring me to court again probably this August or September -- the bank checks that I send certified mail every month are being refused delivery by the management company again.
  - namibj 8y ago
    The European way of paying rent, e.g. recurring wires, has the benefit that the recipient can't just refuse the physical object. And for legally binding documents the tenant has to deliver within a deadline, he can, if it's that bad (at least in Germany), pay a court bailiff to deliver the document and certify this delivery. That is legally binding on the date it is put in the mailbox.
    - busterarm 8y ago
      I agree wholeheartedly and it seems like it would be nice to live in a civilized part of the world like Germany instead of my city and country of origin.
      - namibj 8y ago
        Move here. It's not that difficult if you want it, and have the skill needed to find someone to marry. The legal system here is (almost) still 'rule of law', and the constitutional court has a history of voiding the police state laws that crop up. Well, unless you are in Bavaria. I'd advise against setting foot on that state. The arrest laws there are about as bad as civil forfeiture, except that they can at worst lock up what you have on you, instead of being able to turn it into funds. Also you, once you are a citizen, don't have to worry about your employer firing you or so, if you can sit that out in a frugal lifestyle. Landlords here actually like non-agressive social-benefits tenants, as the rent get's wired directly by the state and the benefits won't pay for an apartment in an expensive area anyway, which, combined with the apparently rather liberal zoning, as far as high-rise buildings are concerned, makes the situation rather bearable.
    - chimeracoder 8y ago
      > And for legally binding documents the tenant has to deliver within a deadline, he can, if it's that bad (at least in Germany), pay a court bailiff to deliver the document and certify this delivery. That's true in the US as well, but again, the point is that a landlord who wants to make your life hell and drag you through the court system has plenty of opportunities to do so.