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About the 'no-go zones' you might want to listen to people who have to deal with them daily, ambulance personnel being among them: https://www.youtube.com/watc

• eesmith 8y ago
  I watched the first video. In the interview, the ambulance union head says they go to the so-called "no-go zones". That is, they aren't literally "no-go zones". This is in line with calling it a "problem area", as the Snopes article uses it. This is not in line with legostormtrooper's claim that there are areas which are "refused public utility service". The union leader also says there are non-immigrant neighborhoods which are also no-go zones. Reddit is blocked here, so I can't read the second link. The URL includes "head_of_swedish_amulance_drivers_union_nogo", so I assume it's the same person making the same statements. For a real "no-go area" I would expect it would be easy to find multiple sources that confirm that ambulance, power, water, sewer, etc. service workers are not able to enter. You write "the number of reported rapes has increased markedly" and give a link to bra.se. These are the same statistics discussed in the second Snopes link I gave. Quoting now from https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/crime-sweden-rape-capital-europe/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/crime-sweden-rape-capital-... , which quotes from the original report by Sweden’s National Council for Crime Prevention: > The question posed on sexual crimes in NTU includes a wide range of crimes. It can range from minor events [like] flashing and groping, to very serious incidents of rape. Those who say they suffered must therefore answer questions about the severity of the crime. The responses show that in 29 percent of cases [have been] a more serious form of sexual crimes, says Emelie Hambrook, investigator at the National Council. That is, the graph you linked to is not for "reported rapes" but is for "sexual crimes" in general. Snopes goes on to write: > While Brå noted that the broad category of “sexual crimes” had increased since 2012, the same was not true for rape. Another Brå graph shows that reported cases of rape (represented by the purple line below) did not spike suddenly after the influx of refugees in 2015 – instead, they dropped from 6,697 in 2014 to 5,918 in 2015 (about the same amount as in 2009). And while the numbers have increased, they appear to be more due to changing standards of what "rape" means, including "As from 1 July 2013, the sex offence legislation was again made tougher; among other things rape was expanded to include cases where the victim reacts passively." This seems to be in line with jaha's description of your "anti-immigration tirades", that is, it appears that you are misinterpreting information with a view towards strengthening a presupposed anti-immigration viewpoint.
  • Yetanfou 8y ago
    'No-go areas' - which you might notice I put between quotes in my reply, the Swedish term 'Utsätt område' does not translate that well to English - is a term for areas where community service can not function as intended. If you fall over the literal term 'no-go area' feel free to use another term, the problem remains. The Reddit link (which you can find by searching for the term) leads to a discussion on the linked video, this being a Reddit discussion common sense should be applied when reading. As to whether the 'no-go areas' - or 'problem areas' or 'challenged areas' or any other term - are a problem or not becomes clear when you listen to those who actually have to go there to do their jobs: police, ambulance, fire department, mail, delivery, etc. There is a Wikipedia article on the subject called 'Vulnerable area' [1], this being Wikipedia it is a good idea to also read the 'Talk' page related to the article [2]. Suffice to say that the problem is real, the areas by any other name are in many ways different from the rest of the country and those differences are not experienced as beneficial by most inhabitants. You do not need to take my word on this (or anything else), if you are truly interested in the subject there are many sources to consult. The discussion on rape statistics in Sweden is wide and varied, just have a look at the 'talk' page to the Wikipedia page on 'Rape in Sweden' [3] for some of these discussions. The actual page is less interesting as it does not state anything which has not been brought up yet and is, like the rest of Wikipedia, susceptible to the bias (in whatever direction) of the editor collective ruling over this area. The last BRÅ-report claims rape (as in 'fullbördad våldtäkt') increased by 10% from 2016 to 2017 and states at the same time that it is likely that 80% of rapes (without further specification so it is unclear whether this is 'anything called rape in Sweden' or 'fullbördad våldtäkt') goes unreported. Something is worth mentioning though: both you as well as jahaja keep on mentioning 'anti-immigration tirades' and similar terms. Please read what I wrote and notice I do not mention immigration anywhere, it was jahaja who brought this up and started off from that base. I'm well-used to this phenomenon as it has been the norm in Sweden for the last decade to apply labels like those on anyone who voiced criticism on developments in society but it is unsettling to find this in a forum like HN where I'd expect a more objective approach to prevail. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerable_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerable_area [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vulnerable_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vulnerable_area [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rape_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rape_in_Sweden