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I am replying to your arguments, I think you don't realize how evil a law like GDPR is. Many small projects will get killed while privacy abusers will just find

I am replying to your arguments, I think you don't realize how evil a law like GDPR is. Many small projects will get killed while privacy abusers will just find a way to avoid the law. You still have to point to one example where this law will make someone's life better.

jacquesm 8y ago
> I think you don't realize how evil a law like GDPR is. I've read the law end-to-end several times, I do not think it is evil. > Many small projects will get killed while privacy abusers will just find a way to avoid the law. This is Europe, not the United States. > You still have to point to one example where this law will make someone['s] life better. It's already making my life better. For instance, this email I just received: -- Let's stay in touch! As many of you know, the new General Data Protection Regulation ("GDPR") requirements go into effect on 25 May 2018. Your privacy is very important to us, so please consent by clicking the button below if you would like to continue receiving updates from YouPic on announcements, insights and potential opportunities. Yes, let's stay in touch! Sent with from YouPic Viktor Rydbergsgatam 14, Gothenburg, Sweden -- From a company that I've never done business with, that has absolutely no right to spam me and that I've tried many times to get them to stop spamming me with zero result. So no, let's not stay in touch, fuck off with the spam, the targeted advertising, the profiles, the retargeting, the selling of profiles, the stealing of contact lists and so on.
- hartator 8y ago
  > So no, let's not stay in touch, fuck off with the spam, the targeted advertising, the profiles, the retargeting, the selling of profiles, the stealing of contact lists and so on. I do agree with all of that, but I think the solution is more technical than regulatory. Ublock Origin, uMatrix, and Ad Nauseum are doing an infinite better job to protect user privacy than any legislation we can make up. At the end of the day, users are responsible for their own security and privacy as the web is global, and you can't expect all juridictions to comply with EU laws.
  - jacquesm 8y ago
    We tried technical, it's a losing battle. All that will happen is more and more sleazy ways to get around the technical countermeasures. Ad-blocker detectors, track-walls, back-end filled ad slots and so on. There is no way short of going the legal route that this will ever stop. What would have worked is self regulation but the industry has clearly shown that it is utterly incapable of doing so. > At the end of the day, users are responsible for their own security and privacy as the web is global, and you can't expect all juridictions to comply with EU laws. That's the beauty of it: now we can. I'm really curious how the EU will go after foreign parties that decide to flaunt the law because they have no residence in the EU (and because they decided they did not want to play the representative game). That will be the real test. If that fails then the law will fall apart. Time will tell.
    - hartator 8y ago
      > That's the beauty of it: now we can. I'm really curious how the EU will go after foreign parties that decide to flaunt the law because they have no residence in the EU (and because they decided they did not want to play the representative game). That will be the real test. If that fails then the law will fall apart. Copyrights are very different as they are already everywhere. We don’t want reprocity for laws concerning content. Picture if China or Russia demands enforcement of their Internet laws globally.

jacquesm 8y ago

> I think you don't realize how evil a law like GDPR is. I've read the law end-to-end several times, I do not think it is evil. > Many small projects will get killed while privacy abusers will just find a way to avoid the law. This is Europe, not the United States. > You still have to point to one example where this law will make someone['s] life better. It's already making my life better. For instance, this email I just received: -- Let's stay in touch! As many of you know, the new General Data Protection Regulation ("GDPR") requirements go into effect on 25 May 2018. Your privacy is very important to us, so please consent by clicking the button below if you would like to continue receiving updates from YouPic on announcements, insights and potential opportunities. Yes, let's stay in touch! Sent with from YouPic Viktor Rydbergsgatam 14, Gothenburg, Sweden -- From a company that I've never done business with, that has absolutely no right to spam me and that I've tried many times to get them to stop spamming me with zero result. So no, let's not stay in touch, fuck off with the spam, the targeted advertising, the profiles, the retargeting, the selling of profiles, the stealing of contact lists and so on.

hartator 8y ago
> So no, let's not stay in touch, fuck off with the spam, the targeted advertising, the profiles, the retargeting, the selling of profiles, the stealing of contact lists and so on. I do agree with all of that, but I think the solution is more technical than regulatory. Ublock Origin, uMatrix, and Ad Nauseum are doing an infinite better job to protect user privacy than any legislation we can make up. At the end of the day, users are responsible for their own security and privacy as the web is global, and you can't expect all juridictions to comply with EU laws.
- jacquesm 8y ago
  We tried technical, it's a losing battle. All that will happen is more and more sleazy ways to get around the technical countermeasures. Ad-blocker detectors, track-walls, back-end filled ad slots and so on. There is no way short of going the legal route that this will ever stop. What would have worked is self regulation but the industry has clearly shown that it is utterly incapable of doing so. > At the end of the day, users are responsible for their own security and privacy as the web is global, and you can't expect all juridictions to comply with EU laws. That's the beauty of it: now we can. I'm really curious how the EU will go after foreign parties that decide to flaunt the law because they have no residence in the EU (and because they decided they did not want to play the representative game). That will be the real test. If that fails then the law will fall apart. Time will tell.
  - hartator 8y ago
    > That's the beauty of it: now we can. I'm really curious how the EU will go after foreign parties that decide to flaunt the law because they have no residence in the EU (and because they decided they did not want to play the representative game). That will be the real test. If that fails then the law will fall apart. Copyrights are very different as they are already everywhere. We don’t want reprocity for laws concerning content. Picture if China or Russia demands enforcement of their Internet laws globally.