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Russia invaded and annexed land from a neighboring country already in 2014 and hasn't toned down any of their rhetoric. It's not fearmongering when they proven
by lovich 8y ago
Russia invaded and annexed land from a neighboring country already in 2014 and hasn't toned down any of their rhetoric. It's not fearmongering when they proven that they will attack others.
That would be like calling an Islamic country fear mongering if they prepared for a US attack after the US said they had WMDs.
- StanislavPetrov 8y agoWe (the USA) literally engineered a coup in neighboring Ukraine in 2014 in our continued efforts to surround Russia with military bases (as we do with every country that isn't a client state of ours). No matter how many times I see it, its astounding to see how the educated readers of HN are so totally ignorant of (even current) history and how susceptible to propaganda they are. It just goes to show how tenuous the relationship between education, awareness and critical thinking is - if it exists at all. >“I think (Yatseniuk) is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. What he needs is (Klitschko) and (Tyahnybok) on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week,” Nuland said in the recording. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-tape/leaked-audio-reveals-embarrassing-u-s-exchange-on-ukraine-eu-idUSBREA1601G20140207 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-tape/leaked-a...
- zzzcpan 8y ago> We (the USA) literally engineered a coup in neighboring Ukraine in 2014 This is literally Russian propaganda.
- StanislavPetrov 8y agoReality is a harsh mistress. The state of our current society, and the world, can be almost entirely explained by a near-universal ignorance and lack of critical thinking skills. We have spent rougly $5.1 billion dollars via USAAID and other governmental and quasi-governmental agencies over decades to build our influence and work towards installing a friendly regime. This is not up for debate among anyone, in any country, that is even barely aware of the facts. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/21/politics/dollars-for-democracy-us-aid-to-ukraine-challenged.html https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/21/politics/dollars-for-demo... Assistant Secy. of State Victoria Nuland (and wife of arch neo-con Robert Kagan) was literally recorded discussing the coup with US ambassador to the Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt about who to install as Prime Minister before the coup happened. The veracity of this recording is not disputed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QxZ8t3V_bk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QxZ8t3V_bk Nobody remotely reasonable and intelligent can understand the history and the actions taken (let alone listen to the smoking-gun recording) and not be absolutely certain what took place here. That is even without considering the long, long history we have of toppling governments and regimes we deem "unfriendly". Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
- lovich 8y agoI don't need to look up any of that to say that Sweden isn't being fearmongering. It could be a 100% true, but Russia still showed it was willing to invade and annex a neighbor, so it's rational to prepare defenses against them if you are in their neighborhood. This isn't a Russia bad, US is good thing. This is a reasonable response to any large power within range of you that has shown the desire to use military might to achieve their goals.
- mywittyname 8y agoFinland is building up their military and installing landmines in their remote border regions in an effort to deter Russia.