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Show me where it says in GDPR that multimillion-euro fines are not legally possible in any given situation, and I’ll never comment in one again. Please get edu

Show me where it says in GDPR that multimillion-euro fines are not legally possible in any given situation, and I’ll never comment in one again. Please get educated on the subject. The problem is that I am educated on the subject, and spent many thousands of dollars on GDPR-related legal advice for my company. My view comes from actually reading it and from no attorney being able to tell me that I could not possibly be fined 10 or 20 million EUR by one or more of the 28 countries to which GDPR applies.

jacquesm 8y ago
Attorneys will never give you a guarantee like that. Of course they won't, since it would give you the freedom to go and do whatever you want and then when you get fined you can take it out on them. You can't get an attorney to assume your liability by asking them for guarantees.
- downandout 8y ago
  Again, this whole argument can end if you just show me where in the law it says that I cannot legally be fined up to 20 million EUR for a single violation. You seem to have confidence that this limit exists, so please show it to me and I’ll never dispute your view again.
  - shabble 8y ago
    Sure, there's nothing beyond the years of experience people have had with the existing system and its regulators, and the statements they've publicly made about how they plan to proceed. So yes, they can if they choose, and if they can make a convincing case, and you can't make an appeal or a big enough media shitstorm that they back down. But is it likely? Are you equally worried that you might die tomorrow because a meteorite crashes into your house? It could happen, and the consequences would be pretty massive, but it's not generally a serious concern of most people. Risk is likelihood x harm, and you're seemingly in every thread shouting about the massive potential harm, without ever really considering the likelihoods. Exactly how likely it is I don't know, but I highly doubt it'll be close to your expectations. And probably not mine, but maybe somewhere in the middle.
    - downandout 8y ago
      Are you equally worried that you might die tomorrow because a meteorite crashes into your house? No, but then again there is no law that says that a meteorite must crash into my house if I use third party JavaScript on my site, and the only thing up for debate might be the size of that meteorite. I am afraid of things when it is put in writing that I should be afraid of them.

jacquesm 8y ago

Attorneys will never give you a guarantee like that. Of course they won't, since it would give you the freedom to go and do whatever you want and then when you get fined you can take it out on them. You can't get an attorney to assume your liability by asking them for guarantees.

downandout 8y ago
Again, this whole argument can end if you just show me where in the law it says that I cannot legally be fined up to 20 million EUR for a single violation. You seem to have confidence that this limit exists, so please show it to me and I’ll never dispute your view again.
- shabble 8y ago
  Sure, there's nothing beyond the years of experience people have had with the existing system and its regulators, and the statements they've publicly made about how they plan to proceed. So yes, they can if they choose, and if they can make a convincing case, and you can't make an appeal or a big enough media shitstorm that they back down. But is it likely? Are you equally worried that you might die tomorrow because a meteorite crashes into your house? It could happen, and the consequences would be pretty massive, but it's not generally a serious concern of most people. Risk is likelihood x harm, and you're seemingly in every thread shouting about the massive potential harm, without ever really considering the likelihoods. Exactly how likely it is I don't know, but I highly doubt it'll be close to your expectations. And probably not mine, but maybe somewhere in the middle.
  - downandout 8y ago
    Are you equally worried that you might die tomorrow because a meteorite crashes into your house? No, but then again there is no law that says that a meteorite must crash into my house if I use third party JavaScript on my site, and the only thing up for debate might be the size of that meteorite. I am afraid of things when it is put in writing that I should be afraid of them.