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> I, too like more flight safety/healthcare hygiene/safer cars, but think for a second about this: who can afford more regulation? As an end-user/customer, I’l

> I, too like more flight safety/healthcare hygiene/safer cars, but think for a second about this: who can afford more regulation? As an end-user/customer, I’ll have the regulated version every single time, thank you. You can reframe this either way you like, but what it will come down to is that IT has so far been one of the few completely unregulated industries, with only its own merits to show for why such regulation shouldn’t be needed. So far it’s not doing a very good case for itself. People like Alan Kay has warned about this. If we don’t start taking our profession seriously (like doctors take not killing their patients seriously), someone else will. And then the future of programming will be legislated. If that’s how it all will turn out, that’s because we as a industry has deserved it. The GDPR is merely about basic decency and should only be considered a taste of what the future holds. Unless we ourselves show that we can act responsibly without further regulation. Edit: Ofcourse if you are the world’s biggest privacy-violater with 100s of thousands of employees worldwide working every day to mine and AI even more shit out of you, ofcourse trying to get GDPR-compliant will take some effort. That’s the whole fucking point. Smaller businesses treating user-data decently and with respect won’t have any such issues or conflicts of interests.

jacquesm 8y ago
The people that feel that the GDPR is a terrible thing are going to be really upset if and when software liability will be targeted. This has to be the only industry where it is the norm to charge the customer to fix a defect that we ourselves created.
- yxhuvud 8y ago
  I'd rather think it is the opposite - that generally people will pay for fixing defects unless it can be proven that it was sold in an intentionally misleading way. "Oops, did that airport take three times the money compared to expectations to build? Time to pony up more or end up with a half built airport".
baxtr 8y ago
That’s an interesting view. Do you own a business where you had to implement GDPR or is this theoretical? Oh, and did you know that GDPR also affects the work of teachers, solo entrepreneurs, doctors and the like?
- DanBC 8y ago
  > GDPR also affects the work of teachers, solo entrepreneurs, doctors and the like? You say that like it's a bad thing.
  - baxtr 8y ago
    My strong believe is that regulation is a big burden for small companies and solo entrepreneurs and a big opportunity for the large corporations. Facebook and Co will use all the power and wit they have to circumvent any regulation. The solution is not more regulation. The solutions needs to be architectural
- josteink 8y ago
  > That’s an interesting view. Do you own a business where you had to implement GDPR or is this theoretical? I'm obviously biased because I work for a company providing CRM software. That said, that gives me a decent amount of expertise in the matters too. Basically we need to get all our own customer-data and systems GDPR-compliant. Which I won't deny has been a reasonably big effort on our part. But instead of only doing this for ourselves, we've put all this effort into getting our own CRM-software GDPR-compliant instead, meaning in the process all our customers get to benefit from this at near zero cost. Basically: By using a modern, maintained and competent CRM-solution, you should get GDPR-compliance in your core-databases almost "for free". I won't push my own company here, but it should be trivial to find should you be curious. If your CRM-solution does not help you provide GDPR-compliance, you should consider how serious they are in these matters and if you want to continue using them. And if you don't have a CRM-solution at all (really?) it's definitely time to consider getting one, because that's going to be the absolutely best tool you will get w.r.t. ensuring compliance. > Oh, and did you know that GDPR also affects the work of teachers, solo entrepreneurs, doctors and the like? It affects stored and processed privacy-sensitive information. Why should certain professions or business-categories be excluded?

jacquesm 8y ago

The people that feel that the GDPR is a terrible thing are going to be really upset if and when software liability will be targeted. This has to be the only industry where it is the norm to charge the customer to fix a defect that we ourselves created.

yxhuvud 8y ago
I'd rather think it is the opposite - that generally people will pay for fixing defects unless it can be proven that it was sold in an intentionally misleading way. "Oops, did that airport take three times the money compared to expectations to build? Time to pony up more or end up with a half built airport".

baxtr 8y ago

That’s an interesting view. Do you own a business where you had to implement GDPR or is this theoretical? Oh, and did you know that GDPR also affects the work of teachers, solo entrepreneurs, doctors and the like?

DanBC 8y ago
> GDPR also affects the work of teachers, solo entrepreneurs, doctors and the like? You say that like it's a bad thing.
- baxtr 8y ago
  My strong believe is that regulation is a big burden for small companies and solo entrepreneurs and a big opportunity for the large corporations. Facebook and Co will use all the power and wit they have to circumvent any regulation. The solution is not more regulation. The solutions needs to be architectural
josteink 8y ago
> That’s an interesting view. Do you own a business where you had to implement GDPR or is this theoretical? I'm obviously biased because I work for a company providing CRM software. That said, that gives me a decent amount of expertise in the matters too. Basically we need to get all our own customer-data and systems GDPR-compliant. Which I won't deny has been a reasonably big effort on our part. But instead of only doing this for ourselves, we've put all this effort into getting our own CRM-software GDPR-compliant instead, meaning in the process all our customers get to benefit from this at near zero cost. Basically: By using a modern, maintained and competent CRM-solution, you should get GDPR-compliance in your core-databases almost "for free". I won't push my own company here, but it should be trivial to find should you be curious. If your CRM-solution does not help you provide GDPR-compliance, you should consider how serious they are in these matters and if you want to continue using them. And if you don't have a CRM-solution at all (really?) it's definitely time to consider getting one, because that's going to be the absolutely best tool you will get w.r.t. ensuring compliance. > Oh, and did you know that GDPR also affects the work of teachers, solo entrepreneurs, doctors and the like? It affects stored and processed privacy-sensitive information. Why should certain professions or business-categories be excluded?