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This seems to be a good excuse to share this great story: > At ILC 2002 former Lisp giant now Python advocate Peter Norvig was for some reason allowed to give
by rauhl 8y ago
This seems to be a good excuse to share this great story:
> At ILC 2002 former Lisp giant now Python advocate Peter Norvig was for some reason allowed to give the keynote address like Martin Luther leading Easter Sunday mass at the Vatican and pitching Protestantism because in his talk Peter bravely repeated his claim that Python is a Lisp.
> When he finished Peter took questions and to my surprise called first on the rumpled old guy who had wandered in just before the talk began and eased himself into a chair just across the aisle from me and a few rows up.
> This guy had wild white hair and a scraggly white beard and looked hopelessly lost as if he had gotten separated from the tour group and wandered in mostly to rest his feet and just a little to see what we were all up to. My first thought was that he would be terribly disappointed by our bizarre topic and my second thought was that he would be about the right age, Stanford is just down the road, I think he is still at Stanford — could it be?
> ‘Yes, John?’ Peter said.
> I won’t pretend to remember Lisp inventor John McCarthy's exact words which is odd because there were only about ten but he simply asked if Python could gracefully manipulate Python code as data.
> ‘No, John, it can’t,’ said Peter and nothing more, graciously assenting to the professor’s critique, and McCarthy said no more though Peter waited a moment to see if he would and in the silence a thousand words were said.
from http://smuglispweeny.blogspot.com/2008/02/ooh-ooh-my-turn-why-lisp.html http://smuglispweeny.blogspot.com/2008/02/ooh-ooh-my-turn-wh...
- kennytilton 8y agoStrange that six years into my Lisp-hood I could not recognize the great one. Or the great beard: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/john-mccarthy-computer-scientist-known-as-the-father-of-ai-6255307.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/john-mccarthy-... It never changed!
- flavio81 8y ago>Strange that six years into my Lisp-hood I could not recognize the great one. God disguises in mysterious ways... RIP John McCarthy
- Phrodo_00 8y agoBTW, Python can do that [1], it's just not very recommended because the ast is not stable between versions (and maybe even implementations? not sure about that) [1] https://docs.python.org/3.6/library/ast.html https://docs.python.org/3.6/library/ast.html
- mr_golyadkin 8y agoThe question said gracefully. Norvig, being intellectually honest and knowing the comparison to Lisp, answered simply no.
- Phrodo_00 8y agoOh, I conveniently skipped over that when reading. I'm definitely not claiming it's graceful of even practical.