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Sorry to hear you were robbed 10k. I'm not sure how much we can solve the robbing problem with surveillance. I can talk a bit about the typical robbing that oc

Sorry to hear you were robbed 10k. I'm not sure how much we can solve the robbing problem with surveillance. I can talk a bit about the typical robbing that occurs in the more touristic places in the city. The police is very much aware of who the robbers are, and in fact most of them have been caught dozens of times, if not hundreds; they simply don't get punished, except with a small fine, so they keep doing it. It's disgraceful.

kartan 8y ago
> they simply don't get punished, except with a small fine, so they keep doing it. It's disgraceful. Violent thieves (robbers) get punished. Non-violent theft is treated more lightly unless is done on a big scale. This gives criminals a high incentive to not be violent. I have heard that the theory is that if you hard punish any thief, then thieves are going to be more violent to not get caught. If you focus the police force on violent crime, then violent crime goes down. Most criminals know that if they give themselves in when caught, they will get a more favourable sentence that if they resist. The goal is to keep people safe first, then property. To punish criminals is a means to that goal, but just that. I think that in the USA there is a moral component where punishing criminals is a moral imperative, even if this causes worse crime or if people get wrongly punished. Or, at least, that is what I interpret from the news.
- ardit33 8y ago
  No it is not that. The main reason is that even if you get caught stealing you only get something like 15- 30days of jail. It is like a two week vacation for a pocket picker, then they are out again. In SouthEastern countries they get 1, 2 or up 4 years in jail. Guess, what? There is less of them in the streets and if they are less likely to do it again. So, being too lenient in crime creates the nightmare that Barcelona is, and draws in criminals from the rest of Europe (it is still a very beautiful city to visit). http://documentaryheaven.com/scam-city-barcelona/ http://documentaryheaven.com/scam-city-barcelona/
  - StudentStuff 8y ago
    Citations?
    - ardit33 8y ago
      https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Romania&country2=Spain https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?co...
  - madeofpalk 8y ago
    > In SouthEastern [...] there is less of them in the streets and if they are less likely to do it again. Really? Of course only anecdotally, I've always had a worse impression of this 'street crime' in SEA than in places like Barcelona.
    - ardit33 8y ago
      Romania vs Spain, Spain is clearly worse crime wise. https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Romania&country2=Spain https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?co... When you compare Bucharest (the capital city) with Barcelona, Barcelona fares a lot worse. https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Romania&country2=Spain&city1=Bucharest&city2=Barcelona https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Rom... Index Info Bucharest | Barcelona Crime Index: 28.48 | 45.08 Safety Scale: 71.52 | 54.92 I know, by reputation the Balkan Region doesn't look good, but when you look at the data it paints a totally different picture. My hunch is that a lot of petty thieves types have moved into Western Europe as the business is more lucrative there.
      - madeofpalk 8y ago
        Oh, apologies. I thought you meant south east Asia. I've never thought of crime in Romania.
      - kartan 8y ago
        http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people#2009 http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent... Position ... Murder rate per million 74 Romania 19.6 2009 102 Spain 8.69 2009 Your numbers are not in contradiction with my reasoning. More pretty thief is more crime, but it is less violent crime.
- narag 8y ago
  We have a number of holes in our legal system. The cause is not what you say, even if it's very reasonable. The cause is where we came from and technical debt after so many years of patches. We suffered a dictatorship until 1975. The climate was against police and pro-reo. It was good to abolish capital punishment and other relics. But we swinged too much the other way. A more dramatic example is how people under 18 can get away with rape and murder, just a slap in the wrist. Also parole is almost a given after doing half the sentence. So effectively our longest punishment is 15 years. That has changed for rapists and terrorists, but it's basically true for most other crimes.
rock_hard 8y ago
Agree. I installed a Nest Camera to keep my garage and car safe...guess what: they broke into my garage anyways and all I got is a useless video of it. Camera’s are not a solution to stop crime! One thing I gotta say though is that it helped with figuring out what got stolen ;)

kartan 8y ago

> they simply don't get punished, except with a small fine, so they keep doing it. It's disgraceful. Violent thieves (robbers) get punished. Non-violent theft is treated more lightly unless is done on a big scale. This gives criminals a high incentive to not be violent. I have heard that the theory is that if you hard punish any thief, then thieves are going to be more violent to not get caught. If you focus the police force on violent crime, then violent crime goes down. Most criminals know that if they give themselves in when caught, they will get a more favourable sentence that if they resist. The goal is to keep people safe first, then property. To punish criminals is a means to that goal, but just that. I think that in the USA there is a moral component where punishing criminals is a moral imperative, even if this causes worse crime or if people get wrongly punished. Or, at least, that is what I interpret from the news.

ardit33 8y ago
No it is not that. The main reason is that even if you get caught stealing you only get something like 15- 30days of jail. It is like a two week vacation for a pocket picker, then they are out again. In SouthEastern countries they get 1, 2 or up 4 years in jail. Guess, what? There is less of them in the streets and if they are less likely to do it again. So, being too lenient in crime creates the nightmare that Barcelona is, and draws in criminals from the rest of Europe (it is still a very beautiful city to visit). http://documentaryheaven.com/scam-city-barcelona/ http://documentaryheaven.com/scam-city-barcelona/
- StudentStuff 8y ago
  Citations?
  - ardit33 8y ago
    https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Romania&country2=Spain https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?co...
- madeofpalk 8y ago
  > In SouthEastern [...] there is less of them in the streets and if they are less likely to do it again. Really? Of course only anecdotally, I've always had a worse impression of this 'street crime' in SEA than in places like Barcelona.
  - ardit33 8y ago
    Romania vs Spain, Spain is clearly worse crime wise. https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Romania&country2=Spain https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?co... When you compare Bucharest (the capital city) with Barcelona, Barcelona fares a lot worse. https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Romania&country2=Spain&city1=Bucharest&city2=Barcelona https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Rom... Index Info Bucharest | Barcelona Crime Index: 28.48 | 45.08 Safety Scale: 71.52 | 54.92 I know, by reputation the Balkan Region doesn't look good, but when you look at the data it paints a totally different picture. My hunch is that a lot of petty thieves types have moved into Western Europe as the business is more lucrative there.
    - madeofpalk 8y ago
      Oh, apologies. I thought you meant south east Asia. I've never thought of crime in Romania.
    - kartan 8y ago
      http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people#2009 http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent... Position ... Murder rate per million 74 Romania 19.6 2009 102 Spain 8.69 2009 Your numbers are not in contradiction with my reasoning. More pretty thief is more crime, but it is less violent crime.
narag 8y ago
We have a number of holes in our legal system. The cause is not what you say, even if it's very reasonable. The cause is where we came from and technical debt after so many years of patches. We suffered a dictatorship until 1975. The climate was against police and pro-reo. It was good to abolish capital punishment and other relics. But we swinged too much the other way. A more dramatic example is how people under 18 can get away with rape and murder, just a slap in the wrist. Also parole is almost a given after doing half the sentence. So effectively our longest punishment is 15 years. That has changed for rapists and terrorists, but it's basically true for most other crimes.

rock_hard 8y ago

Agree. I installed a Nest Camera to keep my garage and car safe...guess what: they broke into my garage anyways and all I got is a useless video of it. Camera’s are not a solution to stop crime! One thing I gotta say though is that it helped with figuring out what got stolen ;)