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Sure. Let's go ahead and turn the world into a Kafkaesque nightmare where you are prosecuted but has no right to know why. Justice system is perfect so if the m

Sure. Let's go ahead and turn the world into a Kafkaesque nightmare where you are prosecuted but has no right to know why. Justice system is perfect so if the man says you are guilty it's because you are. /S

nordsieck 8y ago
> Sure. Let's go ahead and turn the world into a Kafkaesque nightmare where you are prosecuted but has no right to know why. Justice system is perfect so if the man says you are guilty it's because you are. /S The great virtue of private industry over government is the ease with which you can opt out.
- JasonFruit 8y ago
  Have you tried to opt out of Google services, especially if you got in early on? It's not easy, let me tell you.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
    I completely agree, it's extremely hard. I can do without Google on my servers at all, and I'm happy about it. On my notebook, it's much harder. On a phone, it's almost impossible, if you have and Android phone. Google is bending over backwards to make you turn on more sensors and gather more data. I recently discovered it's enough to use the Gmail app once with a given e-mail address and it will happily turn on the location service (.i.e. phone tracking) for these accounts, even though you use a completely different account for your phone set up, including Google Play. They want to lay their hands on everything, it's so annoying.
- scardine 8y ago
  Yes, changing to another cloud provider may be less annoying than moving to another country but for how long it will be the case?
hluska 8y ago
Isn't Google a private company?
- ocdtrekkie 8y ago
  The fact that a private company can essentially execute you or your business from the Internet is exactly what's so terrifying.
  - hluska 8y ago
    How is that terrifying? I can access the web, use all the base protocols (email, etc) and store all my documents without having to rely upon Google. If I don't like/trust Google, I can easily migrate away. And, if enough people don't like it to make this "Kafka-esque nightmare" more than hyperbole, then the laws of private organizations will catch up and Google will either shape up or be no more. This is almost the polar opposite of Kafka-esque.
    - dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
      > I can access the web, use all the base protocols (email, etc) Well, sort-of, and still. If you use the web, you are constantly being tracked by Google as people mindlessly put GA code on all their websites. As for e-mail, it's more and more difficult to set up an e-mail server these days because of anti-spam measures, and Google/MS are dictating the terms here - but MS has a much more relaxed policy. Each time I set up a new mail server, I have to go through the same set of rituals, only to discover Google came up with another requirement and will not deliver my mail if I don't do it.
  - simias 8y ago
    Only if you give them that power. The popular wisdom not to put all your eggs in one basket is still relevant. You generally can't opt-out from your government, you definitely don't have to opt-in Google services.
    - scardine 8y ago

nordsieck 8y ago

> Sure. Let's go ahead and turn the world into a Kafkaesque nightmare where you are prosecuted but has no right to know why. Justice system is perfect so if the man says you are guilty it's because you are. /S The great virtue of private industry over government is the ease with which you can opt out.

JasonFruit 8y ago
Have you tried to opt out of Google services, especially if you got in early on? It's not easy, let me tell you.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
  I completely agree, it's extremely hard. I can do without Google on my servers at all, and I'm happy about it. On my notebook, it's much harder. On a phone, it's almost impossible, if you have and Android phone. Google is bending over backwards to make you turn on more sensors and gather more data. I recently discovered it's enough to use the Gmail app once with a given e-mail address and it will happily turn on the location service (.i.e. phone tracking) for these accounts, even though you use a completely different account for your phone set up, including Google Play. They want to lay their hands on everything, it's so annoying.
scardine 8y ago
Yes, changing to another cloud provider may be less annoying than moving to another country but for how long it will be the case?

hluska 8y ago

Isn't Google a private company?

ocdtrekkie 8y ago
The fact that a private company can essentially execute you or your business from the Internet is exactly what's so terrifying.
- hluska 8y ago
  How is that terrifying? I can access the web, use all the base protocols (email, etc) and store all my documents without having to rely upon Google. If I don't like/trust Google, I can easily migrate away. And, if enough people don't like it to make this "Kafka-esque nightmare" more than hyperbole, then the laws of private organizations will catch up and Google will either shape up or be no more. This is almost the polar opposite of Kafka-esque.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
    > I can access the web, use all the base protocols (email, etc) Well, sort-of, and still. If you use the web, you are constantly being tracked by Google as people mindlessly put GA code on all their websites. As for e-mail, it's more and more difficult to set up an e-mail server these days because of anti-spam measures, and Google/MS are dictating the terms here - but MS has a much more relaxed policy. Each time I set up a new mail server, I have to go through the same set of rituals, only to discover Google came up with another requirement and will not deliver my mail if I don't do it.
- simias 8y ago
  Only if you give them that power. The popular wisdom not to put all your eggs in one basket is still relevant. You generally can't opt-out from your government, you definitely don't have to opt-in Google services.
  - scardine 8y ago