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My sources tell the story this way: unknown village of Finnish-Ugric population -> Kholmogory (Novgorod outpost) -> Novokholmogory -> Arkhangelsk. I would be gr
by kingofhdds 8y ago
My sources tell the story this way: unknown village of Finnish-Ugric population -> Kholmogory (Novgorod outpost) -> Novokholmogory -> Arkhangelsk. I would be grateful if you share your source of information about alternative name. However, regardless the name, the place will not be a major trading center until establishment of regular sea route to England (when Ivan The Terrible granted trading privileges to English) which is XVI century. There was not a lot of sense in navigating Arctic waters to deliver those furs to the Western Europe before Swedes became rulers of North-Eastern Baltics and imposed tariffs. So map is not correct.
- varjag 8y ago> С начала XII века на месте современных Холмогор располагался дальний новгородский «Ивани-Погост», впервые упомянутый в уставной грамоте Новгородского князя Святослава Ольговича 1138 года о поступлении дани с заволоческих владений. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Холмогоры https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Холмогоры
- kingofhdds 8y agoThank you! It could be true, but frankly I wouldn't trust ru.wikipedia too blindly, especially when it comes to small towns history, because there are lots of local lore gatherers with original researches, and nobody cares to verify their contributions. I can't check the mentioned act of Sviatoslav now, that would require to search for a real paper book :) But I'm quite sure it should be 1137, not 1138 for starters.
- Y_Y 8y agoWhat are your sources please?
- v_lisivka 8y agoIvany-Pogost means that it was inn kept by Ivany family. I.e. it was not a settlement.
- varjag 8y agoПогост was an administrative division in Novgorod Rus. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Погост https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Погост
- v_lisivka 8y agoNo, administrative division was invented much later. Погост is literally «to guest». https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82 https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81...
- varjag 8y agoThe division of Novgorod to pogosts was established by Olga in 10th century. The original literal meaning is inconsequential.
- v_lisivka 8y agoPogost as administrative division is established in XV century in Northern Russia only. It was not used in that context at territory of Rus` at time of Olga.
- varjag 8y ago> "Уроки" ("уставы") и "погосты" - законы княгини Ольги по налоговому праву. Введены в 945-947. Учреждение законов было вызвано восстанием древлян. Ольга отправилась в поездку по всему государству и установила везде твёрдые пределы и время сбора полюдья. "Урок" - определённое количество дани в определённом месте с определённого района - "погоста". Появление "уроков" и "погостов" означало перерастанию дани как формы военной контрибуции в дань как форму натурального налога, превращая полюдье (сбор дани) из военной операции в налоговую кампанию.