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Historical note: Miami owes its founding to Julia Tuttle's successful sales pitch to a railroad company. > Julia Tuttle, a local landowner, convinced Henry Fla

Historical note: Miami owes its founding to Julia Tuttle's successful sales pitch to a railroad company. > Julia Tuttle, a local landowner, convinced Henry Flagler, a railroad tycoon, to expand his Florida East Coast Railway to Miami. On July 28, 1896, Miami was officially incorporated as a city with a population of just over 300. > Julia DeForest Tuttle was an American businesswoman who was largely responsible for, and the original owner of, the land upon which Miami, Florida, was built. For this reason, she is called the "Mother of Miami". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Miami https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Miami https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Tuttle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Tuttle

dforrestwilson 8y ago
Part of Flagler's motivation for building the railroad was beach property rights. The government at the time incentived railroad construction by granting land along the sides of the rails extending several miles. By building the railroad Flagler gained rights to most of Florida's east coast beach property. So in a sense, Miami was a giant public works project. Are we going to be willing to do the same for space exploration?
- intrasight 8y ago
  There are no "land" grants in space. Perhaps you mean on the moon or on mars?
- virmundi 8y ago
  I doubt it. NASA and the US government has lost its sense of adventure and conquering spirit. Too many people in the administration (not Trump's, but rather the deep-state) are 1) afraid of deaths, 2) afraid of being seen as colonizers. That's why we don't have moon bases yet. People couldn't figure out a need, so they became timid hamsters with their Shuttle. So our magnificent men in their flying machines just "go up tiddly up up,they go down tiddly down down." [1] 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUTBYI6rcxs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUTBYI6rcxs
  - awful 8y ago
    What I saw over decades after Apollo was an unrelenting pounding by Congress, specifically Republicans in regards to cost and commercial payback, and Democrats in regards to why are we spending money out there when it is needed here, instead. Not a "deep state", of which even if it did exist would have then been filled with the unimaginative and risk adverse since because of my previous point.
    - virmundi 8y ago
      Deep-state doesn't just mean conspiratorial "them/they". It means all of the bureaucratic individuals that haunt the halls of government between administrations and Congressional turnover. They drive policy. They are around for years. It's these unimaginative individuals that hold us back. Republicans wanted a payback. That's fine. Every colonial backer wants that. The argument could have been fusion. We'd extract helium on the moon. We'd also have the ability for meta-materials fabrication there given the weaker gravity. All of this could have been wrapped up in the Republican's favorite spending bucket: war readiness. Few argued for that at the time. The Democrats did what you said, tried to keep their plantations populated through bread and circuses. They lacked the ability to see how colonization would provide jobs and reduce crime by allowing people that don't fit well in society an outlet like the US had with its Western frontier. At this point the US is too indebted to support such a program, at least at a governmental level. I think our only hope is private parities establishing their own colonies in order to create meta-materials from mined asteroids.
      - awful 8y ago
        Agreed with all your points; the old term was bureaucrats. The term "deep state", to me, is very loaded, reeking of conspiracy theories, especially in today's politics. Thanks for the response.
      - hfdgiutdryg 8y ago
        Deep-state doesn't just mean conspiratorial "them/they". It means all of the bureaucratic individuals that haunt the halls of government between administrations and Congressional turnover. I have never seen this interpretation expressed by anyone else, ever.

dforrestwilson 8y ago

Part of Flagler's motivation for building the railroad was beach property rights. The government at the time incentived railroad construction by granting land along the sides of the rails extending several miles. By building the railroad Flagler gained rights to most of Florida's east coast beach property. So in a sense, Miami was a giant public works project. Are we going to be willing to do the same for space exploration?

intrasight 8y ago
There are no "land" grants in space. Perhaps you mean on the moon or on mars?
virmundi 8y ago
I doubt it. NASA and the US government has lost its sense of adventure and conquering spirit. Too many people in the administration (not Trump's, but rather the deep-state) are 1) afraid of deaths, 2) afraid of being seen as colonizers. That's why we don't have moon bases yet. People couldn't figure out a need, so they became timid hamsters with their Shuttle. So our magnificent men in their flying machines just "go up tiddly up up,they go down tiddly down down." [1] 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUTBYI6rcxs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUTBYI6rcxs
- awful 8y ago
  What I saw over decades after Apollo was an unrelenting pounding by Congress, specifically Republicans in regards to cost and commercial payback, and Democrats in regards to why are we spending money out there when it is needed here, instead. Not a "deep state", of which even if it did exist would have then been filled with the unimaginative and risk adverse since because of my previous point.
  - virmundi 8y ago
    Deep-state doesn't just mean conspiratorial "them/they". It means all of the bureaucratic individuals that haunt the halls of government between administrations and Congressional turnover. They drive policy. They are around for years. It's these unimaginative individuals that hold us back. Republicans wanted a payback. That's fine. Every colonial backer wants that. The argument could have been fusion. We'd extract helium on the moon. We'd also have the ability for meta-materials fabrication there given the weaker gravity. All of this could have been wrapped up in the Republican's favorite spending bucket: war readiness. Few argued for that at the time. The Democrats did what you said, tried to keep their plantations populated through bread and circuses. They lacked the ability to see how colonization would provide jobs and reduce crime by allowing people that don't fit well in society an outlet like the US had with its Western frontier. At this point the US is too indebted to support such a program, at least at a governmental level. I think our only hope is private parities establishing their own colonies in order to create meta-materials from mined asteroids.
    - awful 8y ago
      Agreed with all your points; the old term was bureaucrats. The term "deep state", to me, is very loaded, reeking of conspiracy theories, especially in today's politics. Thanks for the response.
    - hfdgiutdryg 8y ago
      Deep-state doesn't just mean conspiratorial "them/they". It means all of the bureaucratic individuals that haunt the halls of government between administrations and Congressional turnover. I have never seen this interpretation expressed by anyone else, ever.