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Meh, headless Chrome killed any need for me to ever touch this Selenium thing again. It is awesome to not have to install Java to get work done...

enitihas 8y ago
Headless chrome and selenium are two orthogonal things I think. Selenium offers an API to control browsers. It can be chrome, headless chrome, remote chrome, firfox or any browser supporting the web driver protocol. Headless chrome is just an efficient way to run chrome for tests. I think you might have meant Puppeteer.
domakidis 8y ago
Chrome doesn't support extensions in headless mode though, unlike Firefox that does. A Seleniun installation with the Google Chrome Driver is still required for anyone who would want that.
hugs 8y ago
You don't have to install Java to use Selenium. (Source: I started the Selenium project)
- anonnel 8y ago
  Isn’t Selenium server (JAVA) required? Or is there a way to run Se without the server?
  - papercrane 8y ago
    Selenium Server is only need if you want to run a remote Selenium WebDriver. If you want to drive a local browser you can just use the language bindings you wish.
  - hugs 8y ago
    The server is a proxy between a client library and a browser (or a browser driver like ChromeDriver). Like all good proxies, it can add some cool features to your workflow, but is not required for basic usage. For example, you can download the Selenium client library for Python and drive Chome (via the ChromeDriver executable provided by Google). No Java required. Removing the Java requirement for basic point-to-point (e.g. Python to Firefox, Ruby to Chrome, etc.) automation was a key feature of the Selenium 2 (aka WebDriver) architecture when Simon Stewart first released it back in 2011.
dcherman 8y ago
So do you not have automated tests that run cross browser? If so, what's your method for doing so?
- maxharris 8y ago
  The other browsers have such low market share that it just doesn't make economic sense to bother with that. I don't like this state of affairs, but that's currently the way it is! Also, one (small? large?) reason Firefox has lost so much market share is that Mozilla just isn't being practical. For example, here's an obvious feature they should be implementing, but refuse to do because of their whole stance on hiding behind web standards: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47866708/css-is-there-an-equivalent-of-overlay-for-firefox https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47866708/css-is-there-an... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37493597/overlay-scrollbar-on-firefox https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37493597/overlay-scrollb... This works just fine in Chrome, Safari and Edge. The bottom line? No way to justify spending even more time trying to support a browser that almost none of my users actually use... Again, I'm not trying to be a stick in the mud against a multi-browser world here. But we don't live in a world of infinite resources, and some things just don't make the cut sometimes.

enitihas 8y ago

Headless chrome and selenium are two orthogonal things I think. Selenium offers an API to control browsers. It can be chrome, headless chrome, remote chrome, firfox or any browser supporting the web driver protocol. Headless chrome is just an efficient way to run chrome for tests. I think you might have meant Puppeteer.

domakidis 8y ago

Chrome doesn't support extensions in headless mode though, unlike Firefox that does. A Seleniun installation with the Google Chrome Driver is still required for anyone who would want that.

hugs 8y ago

You don't have to install Java to use Selenium. (Source: I started the Selenium project)

anonnel 8y ago
Isn’t Selenium server (JAVA) required? Or is there a way to run Se without the server?
- papercrane 8y ago
  Selenium Server is only need if you want to run a remote Selenium WebDriver. If you want to drive a local browser you can just use the language bindings you wish.
- hugs 8y ago
  The server is a proxy between a client library and a browser (or a browser driver like ChromeDriver). Like all good proxies, it can add some cool features to your workflow, but is not required for basic usage. For example, you can download the Selenium client library for Python and drive Chome (via the ChromeDriver executable provided by Google). No Java required. Removing the Java requirement for basic point-to-point (e.g. Python to Firefox, Ruby to Chrome, etc.) automation was a key feature of the Selenium 2 (aka WebDriver) architecture when Simon Stewart first released it back in 2011.

dcherman 8y ago

So do you not have automated tests that run cross browser? If so, what's your method for doing so?

maxharris 8y ago
The other browsers have such low market share that it just doesn't make economic sense to bother with that. I don't like this state of affairs, but that's currently the way it is! Also, one (small? large?) reason Firefox has lost so much market share is that Mozilla just isn't being practical. For example, here's an obvious feature they should be implementing, but refuse to do because of their whole stance on hiding behind web standards: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47866708/css-is-there-an-equivalent-of-overlay-for-firefox https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47866708/css-is-there-an... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37493597/overlay-scrollbar-on-firefox https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37493597/overlay-scrollb... This works just fine in Chrome, Safari and Edge. The bottom line? No way to justify spending even more time trying to support a browser that almost none of my users actually use... Again, I'm not trying to be a stick in the mud against a multi-browser world here. But we don't live in a world of infinite resources, and some things just don't make the cut sometimes.