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Thank you. It so happens that right before I heard about GDPR I took a FOSS forum I run down for maintenance. I was about to just keep it down, as most of my au

Thank you. It so happens that right before I heard about GDPR I took a FOSS forum I run down for maintenance. I was about to just keep it down, as most of my audience are EU members. But maybe a more nuanced approach is doable.

giancarlostoro 8y ago
I often wondered about these cases. What kind of forum software do you use if you don't mind answering? Maybe someones working on a GDPR compliant plugin or the maintainers in the longer term?
- themodelplumber 8y ago
  PunBB.
  - giancarlostoro 8y ago
    I think updating the ToS would be part of it and a plugin that allows an admin to delete a user + all their posts / threads would suffice in the context of a forum? It's been ages since I last used PunBB so maybe also delete all their private messages as well. If someone else quoted them it's slightly trickier cause that's someone else's post, but at this point you could tell them they would have to contact you to remove any other posts. I have my suspicion it's not very common for people to ask to be obliterated from online forums having been a user in many for years, it's more common for them to merely abandon their accounts. Again though, the concerns are real, and I wish I had a better answer other than "don't worry, it's highly unlikely anything bad will happen."
downandout 8y ago
What part of his comment gives you any comfort? ALL of the quoted text below looks insanely scary to me when we are taking about potential fines of $20 million: “2) many of [the regulators] are in disagreement about enforcement and priorities; 3) much of this is really about pseudo-taxation.... 4) some regulators are going to fight about who "gets to" go after certain companies;” So it says a) the rules are extremely unclear, even to regulators (which means that each of the 28 countries WILL have different interpretations of GDPR), b) that it WILL be abused to “tax” international companies; and c) each of the countries are so eager to abuse their newly granted “pseudo-taxation” collection powers that they will literally be waiting in line to do so. None of that gives me any comfort.
- raverbashing 8y ago
  > about potential fines of $20 million Stop repeating this BS. Unless you're facebook (and even then) you're not going to get fined $20 million
  - downandout 8y ago
    Unless you're facebook (and even then) you're not going to get fined $20 million Facebook will face much larger fines. The maximum fine is 4% of revenue, or $20 million, whichever is greater. Have you not read the GDPR? Before you say “yeah but they won’t hand out big fines,” please show me where in the GDPR it says that they legally can’t. Because according to GP, GDPR will be used as a form of “pseudo-taxation”. That means abuse, and going after anyone and everyone for as much as they can.
    - raverbashing 8y ago
      They will get a 4% fine if and only if they do something worse than they're doing right now, make no effort to comply to the GDPR and they respond to every regulator enquiry with a scan of their private parts. Quite amazingly 4% of FB's revenue for 2017 is 1.6 Billion Dollars. Intel's anti-competition fine was bigger than that.
      - downandout 8y ago
        1.6 Billion Dollars What a bargain. And here I was, ridiculously thinking that the fines were high! For a small business like mine, I only have to pay up to 20 million EUR to foreign governments in countries I have never been to and do not operate in. Never mind that it would take me a lifetime or two to come up with that.
    - tripletao 8y ago
      (a) 20M EUR (b) It's possible to simultaneously believe that the GDPR is basically lawless (i.e., that regulatory discretion determines who pays what more than the text of the law does), and basically fine. That's how most of the countries in the world work--China has no law explaining who they'll kill for their organs, but I still know they won't kill me for mine. I happen to like the rule of law, and I'm sad to see Europe degrade that, with its citizens cheering the way; but most humans in history have lived without it.

giancarlostoro 8y ago

I often wondered about these cases. What kind of forum software do you use if you don't mind answering? Maybe someones working on a GDPR compliant plugin or the maintainers in the longer term?

themodelplumber 8y ago
PunBB.
- giancarlostoro 8y ago
  I think updating the ToS would be part of it and a plugin that allows an admin to delete a user + all their posts / threads would suffice in the context of a forum? It's been ages since I last used PunBB so maybe also delete all their private messages as well. If someone else quoted them it's slightly trickier cause that's someone else's post, but at this point you could tell them they would have to contact you to remove any other posts. I have my suspicion it's not very common for people to ask to be obliterated from online forums having been a user in many for years, it's more common for them to merely abandon their accounts. Again though, the concerns are real, and I wish I had a better answer other than "don't worry, it's highly unlikely anything bad will happen."

downandout 8y ago

What part of his comment gives you any comfort? ALL of the quoted text below looks insanely scary to me when we are taking about potential fines of $20 million: “2) many of [the regulators] are in disagreement about enforcement and priorities; 3) much of this is really about pseudo-taxation.... 4) some regulators are going to fight about who "gets to" go after certain companies;” So it says a) the rules are extremely unclear, even to regulators (which means that each of the 28 countries WILL have different interpretations of GDPR), b) that it WILL be abused to “tax” international companies; and c) each of the countries are so eager to abuse their newly granted “pseudo-taxation” collection powers that they will literally be waiting in line to do so. None of that gives me any comfort.

raverbashing 8y ago
> about potential fines of $20 million Stop repeating this BS. Unless you're facebook (and even then) you're not going to get fined $20 million
- downandout 8y ago
  Unless you're facebook (and even then) you're not going to get fined $20 million Facebook will face much larger fines. The maximum fine is 4% of revenue, or $20 million, whichever is greater. Have you not read the GDPR? Before you say “yeah but they won’t hand out big fines,” please show me where in the GDPR it says that they legally can’t. Because according to GP, GDPR will be used as a form of “pseudo-taxation”. That means abuse, and going after anyone and everyone for as much as they can.
  - raverbashing 8y ago
    They will get a 4% fine if and only if they do something worse than they're doing right now, make no effort to comply to the GDPR and they respond to every regulator enquiry with a scan of their private parts. Quite amazingly 4% of FB's revenue for 2017 is 1.6 Billion Dollars. Intel's anti-competition fine was bigger than that.
    - downandout 8y ago
      1.6 Billion Dollars What a bargain. And here I was, ridiculously thinking that the fines were high! For a small business like mine, I only have to pay up to 20 million EUR to foreign governments in countries I have never been to and do not operate in. Never mind that it would take me a lifetime or two to come up with that.
  - tripletao 8y ago
    (a) 20M EUR (b) It's possible to simultaneously believe that the GDPR is basically lawless (i.e., that regulatory discretion determines who pays what more than the text of the law does), and basically fine. That's how most of the countries in the world work--China has no law explaining who they'll kill for their organs, but I still know they won't kill me for mine. I happen to like the rule of law, and I'm sad to see Europe degrade that, with its citizens cheering the way; but most humans in history have lived without it.