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To be fair, it still does all that stuff. I get that these moves make people nervous, and rightfully so. But as it stands every version of 1Password in active

To be fair, it still does all that stuff. I get that these moves make people nervous, and rightfully so. But as it stands every version of 1Password in active development (not including maintenance mode): * Can be licensed standalone. * Supports local & Dropbox vaults. * Was released within the last year, actively supporting those features. The only feature they’ve actually killed off (by not baking into future clients) is WLAN sync. This is a regression for some, but personally I always found it super impractical. I agree that how they are going about this doesn’t inspire confidence that these features will remain in the product, but to some extent it does. While they downplay the hell out of it, 1Password 6 for Windows was a ground up rewrite that ditched local vaults and standalone licensing. Those features were reintroduced in 1Password 7 for Windows, which is a pretty big backtrack for them and requires renewed development effort. AgileBits doesn’t always make the right decision. They develop opinionated software, like most good developers. However, just like the MAS-only decision they made with 1Password 4 and stood by for some time, eventually they do right by their customers. 1Password 7 for Windows is a great example of that. As much as they would love to go cloud only, they heard the feedback and brought back those two key features. At this point, I can’t expect much more than that.

curun1r 8y ago
> every version of 1Password in active development...Can be licensed standalone This is incorrect. The command line client is subscription-only.
- shinratdr 8y ago
  Fair enough, I wasn’t familiar with this client.
- bwoodruff 8y ago
  The CLI and 1Password X require a subscrition and membership based vaults, correct. Ben Woodruff AgileBits
pier25 8y ago
> eventually they do right by their customers Not in my experience. I moved to LastPass the moment Agile Bits decided to not support its (non subscription) 1Password paying customers in having a web access to the vault. I had bought all 1Password versions + updates (Windows, Android, Mac, iOS) which put me well above $100. One day I simply couldn't use 1Password online, which I relied on for Chrome OS use. Dropbox decided, rightfully, that the public folder shouldn't be used as a static web server, which is what 1Password used as online vaults. There was a long discussion in Agile Bits' forums about this issue. Agile Bits argued that it wasn't its responsibility to solve this since it was a Dropbox decision and its users could still store and sync the online vault manually on their own servers. I argued that losing automatic sync rendered the feature pretty much useless. In any case, Agile Bits could have transitioned its users to the subscription model by either giving them subscription time or by offering an alternative to the Dropbox public folder, but it decided that its customers were not worth the effort. I had a lot of respect for Agile Bits and 1Password, but this was a crappy way to treat its customers, specially considering 1Password was not a cheap product. LastPass is not as elegant, but I'm happy with it.
kobayashi 8y ago
Are you sure they’ve killed WLAN sync??
- kemayo 8y ago
  They don't seem to have. It's still shown in 1Password 7's betas, anyway.
  - kobayashi 8y ago
    Thank you for the info. If anyone is here from AgileBits/1Password please chime in.
    - roustem 8y ago
      Sure. 1Password for Mac had WLAN sync implemented in version 4 there is no reason for us to remove it. 1Password for Windows is a full rewrite and the new codebase never had WLAN sync. We wanted to see if people really need it when we announced 1Password 7 for Windows: https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/20/introducing-1password-7-beta-for-windows/ https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/20/introducing-1password-... I think so far we had about 90 people expressing interest in it. For a product with over 15 mln customers, that is a very low number.
      - tbyehl 8y ago
        How many customers read your blog? That post has 225 comments. From that base, 90 people expressing interest in a feature sounds HUGE. I don't care about that feature... but this HN thread is the first I'd noticed that 1Password 7 for Windows actually exists and finally brings back local vault support. I care very much about that. I'd have liked to know about that the minute a public beta landed. But... I spend approximately 0 minutes a day thinking about ways I could better engage with AgileBits. Maybe y'all could spare some minutes to figure out how to better engage with me, a customer who gave you some money 3+ years ago and has hardly heard a peep from you since.
        8y ago

curun1r 8y ago

> every version of 1Password in active development...Can be licensed standalone This is incorrect. The command line client is subscription-only.

shinratdr 8y ago
Fair enough, I wasn’t familiar with this client.
bwoodruff 8y ago
The CLI and 1Password X require a subscrition and membership based vaults, correct. Ben Woodruff AgileBits

pier25 8y ago

> eventually they do right by their customers Not in my experience. I moved to LastPass the moment Agile Bits decided to not support its (non subscription) 1Password paying customers in having a web access to the vault. I had bought all 1Password versions + updates (Windows, Android, Mac, iOS) which put me well above $100. One day I simply couldn't use 1Password online, which I relied on for Chrome OS use. Dropbox decided, rightfully, that the public folder shouldn't be used as a static web server, which is what 1Password used as online vaults. There was a long discussion in Agile Bits' forums about this issue. Agile Bits argued that it wasn't its responsibility to solve this since it was a Dropbox decision and its users could still store and sync the online vault manually on their own servers. I argued that losing automatic sync rendered the feature pretty much useless. In any case, Agile Bits could have transitioned its users to the subscription model by either giving them subscription time or by offering an alternative to the Dropbox public folder, but it decided that its customers were not worth the effort. I had a lot of respect for Agile Bits and 1Password, but this was a crappy way to treat its customers, specially considering 1Password was not a cheap product. LastPass is not as elegant, but I'm happy with it.

kobayashi 8y ago

Are you sure they’ve killed WLAN sync??

kemayo 8y ago
They don't seem to have. It's still shown in 1Password 7's betas, anyway.
- kobayashi 8y ago
  Thank you for the info. If anyone is here from AgileBits/1Password please chime in.
  - roustem 8y ago
    Sure. 1Password for Mac had WLAN sync implemented in version 4 there is no reason for us to remove it. 1Password for Windows is a full rewrite and the new codebase never had WLAN sync. We wanted to see if people really need it when we announced 1Password 7 for Windows: https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/20/introducing-1password-7-beta-for-windows/ https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/20/introducing-1password-... I think so far we had about 90 people expressing interest in it. For a product with over 15 mln customers, that is a very low number.
    - tbyehl 8y ago
      How many customers read your blog? That post has 225 comments. From that base, 90 people expressing interest in a feature sounds HUGE. I don't care about that feature... but this HN thread is the first I'd noticed that 1Password 7 for Windows actually exists and finally brings back local vault support. I care very much about that. I'd have liked to know about that the minute a public beta landed. But... I spend approximately 0 minutes a day thinking about ways I could better engage with AgileBits. Maybe y'all could spare some minutes to figure out how to better engage with me, a customer who gave you some money 3+ years ago and has hardly heard a peep from you since.
      - 8y ago