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Probably nothing other than ease of use, but the old model isn't part of the equation for me. 5 bucks a month for my whole family to have good password security

Probably nothing other than ease of use, but the old model isn't part of the equation for me. 5 bucks a month for my whole family to have good password security practices, and for 1password to sustain continuous updates, is a great deal.

crankylinuxuser 8y ago
Something as critical as "password infrastructure" should absolutely never be a subscription model. Pay software, sure. But by no means should anybody other than you have the ability to refuse access, especially some company where you are nothing but a $5/month number. I would be more forgiving if the subscription was for value-added features, like dynamic syncing, or remote encrypted storage. But it ain't.
- snuxoll 8y ago
  > or remote encrypted storage That’s a key component of a 1Password subscription, they host your vaults and handle annoying details like access control, etc.
  - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
    If remote services were an add-on, and nonpayment left your clients still able to use the program, I see no issue. That's not what happens. You're locked out of all your stuff on nonpayment for the "subscription". This trend of subscription-ifying is horrifying. It's turning users into digital sharecroppers, for a guaranteed line of money. And 'easy-to-import, hard-to-export' is the modus operandi for these companies. Sure, I'll take the karma hit. I already have with the prior post here. Evidently, people seem on the most part OK with allowing their personal data be trapped behind subscription paywalls... Well, they're OK with it until they're not. EDIT: Lets make this crystal-clear what my complaint is: > 1Password 7 from the Mac App Store will only support our hosted service, as that’s what you’re purchasing with a 1Password membership. If you install from our website, you’ll have to option to use a standalone vault synced via iCloud if you purchase a standalone license, or use our hosted service if you purchase a 1Password membership. No Pay, Forget to Pay, can't afford == FUCKED. Long story short, they hold your data hostage for the "New and Improved Business Plan".
    - y_molodtsov 8y ago
      At first, they're not a monopoly, people who worry about that could easily use other open-source and probably less convenient solution. Secondly, after the subscription ends the apps simply go into read-only mode. You still have access and can export all of your passwords. We may argue about it but the most expensive solutions are still the most consumer-friendly.
    - mrunkel 8y ago
      This is not true. You're not locked out. From 1Password: Your data is yours. Even if you cancel your subscription and your account is frozen, you can still sign in to 1Password.com or in the apps to view and export your data.
- bpicolo 8y ago
  Dynamic syncing and remote encrypted storage is exactly what 1password subscription gives you - I add something and it's available on all my devices right away (or my family's devices if I'm sharing it). There are tons of open source options out there if you're not looking for a paid/hosted option.
- roustem 8y ago
  I completely disagree. If it is critical then it requires constant monitoring and regular updates.

crankylinuxuser 8y ago

Something as critical as "password infrastructure" should absolutely never be a subscription model. Pay software, sure. But by no means should anybody other than you have the ability to refuse access, especially some company where you are nothing but a $5/month number. I would be more forgiving if the subscription was for value-added features, like dynamic syncing, or remote encrypted storage. But it ain't.

snuxoll 8y ago
> or remote encrypted storage That’s a key component of a 1Password subscription, they host your vaults and handle annoying details like access control, etc.
- crankylinuxuser 8y ago
  If remote services were an add-on, and nonpayment left your clients still able to use the program, I see no issue. That's not what happens. You're locked out of all your stuff on nonpayment for the "subscription". This trend of subscription-ifying is horrifying. It's turning users into digital sharecroppers, for a guaranteed line of money. And 'easy-to-import, hard-to-export' is the modus operandi for these companies. Sure, I'll take the karma hit. I already have with the prior post here. Evidently, people seem on the most part OK with allowing their personal data be trapped behind subscription paywalls... Well, they're OK with it until they're not. EDIT: Lets make this crystal-clear what my complaint is: > 1Password 7 from the Mac App Store will only support our hosted service, as that’s what you’re purchasing with a 1Password membership. If you install from our website, you’ll have to option to use a standalone vault synced via iCloud if you purchase a standalone license, or use our hosted service if you purchase a 1Password membership. No Pay, Forget to Pay, can't afford == FUCKED. Long story short, they hold your data hostage for the "New and Improved Business Plan".
  - y_molodtsov 8y ago
    At first, they're not a monopoly, people who worry about that could easily use other open-source and probably less convenient solution. Secondly, after the subscription ends the apps simply go into read-only mode. You still have access and can export all of your passwords. We may argue about it but the most expensive solutions are still the most consumer-friendly.
  - mrunkel 8y ago
    This is not true. You're not locked out. From 1Password: Your data is yours. Even if you cancel your subscription and your account is frozen, you can still sign in to 1Password.com or in the apps to view and export your data.
bpicolo 8y ago
Dynamic syncing and remote encrypted storage is exactly what 1password subscription gives you - I add something and it's available on all my devices right away (or my family's devices if I'm sharing it). There are tons of open source options out there if you're not looking for a paid/hosted option.
roustem 8y ago
I completely disagree. If it is critical then it requires constant monitoring and regular updates.