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You seem to be completely uninformed regarding the actual implementation of the law. Any criticism of anything can and will be deleted under the scope of the la

You seem to be completely uninformed regarding the actual implementation of the law. Any criticism of anything can and will be deleted under the scope of the law. Want to criticise any policy? Hatespeech. Criticise religion? Hatespeech. It would of course never hold up in court, but that doesn't matter, for social media platforms deleting anything that could be construed as hate by anyone who feels offended is the path of least resistance. You are not made accountable for breaking laws that already existed, you are being censored for something that is not illegal, never was, still isn't, but could offend someone if it's disagreement on a sensitive topic. It's the end of any sort of free speech on social media in Germany.

KozmoNau7 8y ago
I'm sorry, but you're spouting absolute nonsense. I have discussed this topic many times with my German girlfriend and her family in Germany (we live in Denmark), and you are so completely off on your "predictions", it's not even funny. German law has a very specific definition of what material is targeted, and "hate speech" is an inadequate translation. Only public speech that incites violence against religious, political groups or sexual orientations and the like, will be targeted by this. NOT general critique of religions, nor of political standpoints or anything of the sort. Only public speech that incites to violence. You are utterly wrong in your scaremongering, and this is NOT the "end of free speech on German social media".
- naturalgradient 8y ago
  I am not predicting anything, this is how it has been implemented. You are aware this law is already in effect and thousands have been deleted/banned? But this debate is pointless because you clearly neither speak German, understand German law, nor are interested in revising your opinion that this is anything other than a fight of the righteous against the bad. The law is likely unconstitutional, widely overreaching, and does in fact delete these things: https://verfassungsblog.de/das-netzdg-und-die-vermutung-fuer-die-freiheit-der-rede/ https://verfassungsblog.de/das-netzdg-und-die-vermutung-fuer... https://netzpolitik.org/2018/die-meinungsfreiheit-und-das-netzdg-schwerwiegender-verstoss-gegen-grundrecht/ https://netzpolitik.org/2018/die-meinungsfreiheit-und-das-ne... https://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2017-03/heiko-maas-gesetzentwurf-soziale-netzwerke-hass-falschnachrichten https://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2017-03/heiko-maas-gese... There are countless examples, e.g. Facebook censoring satire accounts: http://meedia.de/2018/01/03/netzdg-twitter-sperrt-account-des-satiremagazins-titanic-wg-beatrix-von-storch-und-loest-zensur-debatte-aus/ http://meedia.de/2018/01/03/netzdg-twitter-sperrt-account-de... You are celebrating authoritarian censorship because you think it targets the right people. You are calling me out for something you have no firsthand knowledge or expertise on because of tribalism. Stop.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. I am a firm supporter of free speech. I am also a firm believer in consequences when that speech leads to violence and persecution.
    - jk2323 8y ago
      Look. Posting on facebook "lets lynch some {ni..ers, Jews, Arabs, minority of your choice} also gets you into trouble with the law in the states. I doubt that anyone claims this is free speech. But questioning the Open borders situation in Europe Germany in public (speak facebook) that is BLUNTLY violating German law and Dublin III regulation is what gets you blocked. It is a left wing junta in the final stages that is ruling Germany at the moment. And making law by chancellor decree has been out of fashion in Germany for over 70 years. Not a good idea to bring it back!
      - KozmoNau7 8y ago
        Oh, so all of those politicians and right wingers who are calling for hermetically closing the borders and imposing special laws on immigrants have all been fined and/or put in jail? That's great news! Why hadn't I heard about this before? Perhaps because it's complete nonsense? Left wing junta? With a Christian conservative chancellor and completely ineffectual so-called left wing parties? That's hilarious. Germany is drifting strongly to the right, and it must be stopped.
        jk2323 8y ago
        "Oh, so all of those politicians and right wingers who are calling for hermetically closing the borders and imposing special laws on immigrants have all been fined and/or put in jail?" Some of them. How about not calling for new laws, how about applying EXISTING laws? "That's great news! Why hadn't I heard about this before? Perhaps because it's complete nonsense?" Possibly. But also possible that you get your news from Spiegel Online. We will never know... "Left wing junta? With a Christian conservative chancellor and completely ineffectual so-called left wing parties?" Former Stasi Agent Merkel is a left-wing dream come true. All left wing projects were realized by her. Marriage for all? Sure. (By the way Marriage with a child? Ok, we accept if you are a Muslim immigrant. Polygamy? Okay, we accept.) End of nuclear energy? Done by Merkel. Energy revolution? Done! Open boarders for all? Done! It is not surprising that the left wing musician Campino and former left wing foreign minister Fischer have strongly spoken for Merkel. "We can not have a better chancellor than her". IM Erika (her Stasi undercover name) has been a nightmare for Germany.
- jk2323 8y ago
  "I have discussed this topic many times with my German girlfriend and her family in Germany (we live in Denmark), and you are so completely off on your "predictions", it's not even funny." Honest advice: Get another girl friend. No kidding!
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    That was absolutely uncalled for.

KozmoNau7 8y ago

I'm sorry, but you're spouting absolute nonsense. I have discussed this topic many times with my German girlfriend and her family in Germany (we live in Denmark), and you are so completely off on your "predictions", it's not even funny. German law has a very specific definition of what material is targeted, and "hate speech" is an inadequate translation. Only public speech that incites violence against religious, political groups or sexual orientations and the like, will be targeted by this. NOT general critique of religions, nor of political standpoints or anything of the sort. Only public speech that incites to violence. You are utterly wrong in your scaremongering, and this is NOT the "end of free speech on German social media".

naturalgradient 8y ago
I am not predicting anything, this is how it has been implemented. You are aware this law is already in effect and thousands have been deleted/banned? But this debate is pointless because you clearly neither speak German, understand German law, nor are interested in revising your opinion that this is anything other than a fight of the righteous against the bad. The law is likely unconstitutional, widely overreaching, and does in fact delete these things: https://verfassungsblog.de/das-netzdg-und-die-vermutung-fuer-die-freiheit-der-rede/ https://verfassungsblog.de/das-netzdg-und-die-vermutung-fuer... https://netzpolitik.org/2018/die-meinungsfreiheit-und-das-netzdg-schwerwiegender-verstoss-gegen-grundrecht/ https://netzpolitik.org/2018/die-meinungsfreiheit-und-das-ne... https://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2017-03/heiko-maas-gesetzentwurf-soziale-netzwerke-hass-falschnachrichten https://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2017-03/heiko-maas-gese... There are countless examples, e.g. Facebook censoring satire accounts: http://meedia.de/2018/01/03/netzdg-twitter-sperrt-account-des-satiremagazins-titanic-wg-beatrix-von-storch-und-loest-zensur-debatte-aus/ http://meedia.de/2018/01/03/netzdg-twitter-sperrt-account-de... You are celebrating authoritarian censorship because you think it targets the right people. You are calling me out for something you have no firsthand knowledge or expertise on because of tribalism. Stop.
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. I am a firm supporter of free speech. I am also a firm believer in consequences when that speech leads to violence and persecution.
  - jk2323 8y ago
    Look. Posting on facebook "lets lynch some {ni..ers, Jews, Arabs, minority of your choice} also gets you into trouble with the law in the states. I doubt that anyone claims this is free speech. But questioning the Open borders situation in Europe Germany in public (speak facebook) that is BLUNTLY violating German law and Dublin III regulation is what gets you blocked. It is a left wing junta in the final stages that is ruling Germany at the moment. And making law by chancellor decree has been out of fashion in Germany for over 70 years. Not a good idea to bring it back!
    - KozmoNau7 8y ago
      Oh, so all of those politicians and right wingers who are calling for hermetically closing the borders and imposing special laws on immigrants have all been fined and/or put in jail? That's great news! Why hadn't I heard about this before? Perhaps because it's complete nonsense? Left wing junta? With a Christian conservative chancellor and completely ineffectual so-called left wing parties? That's hilarious. Germany is drifting strongly to the right, and it must be stopped.
      - jk2323 8y ago
        "Oh, so all of those politicians and right wingers who are calling for hermetically closing the borders and imposing special laws on immigrants have all been fined and/or put in jail?" Some of them. How about not calling for new laws, how about applying EXISTING laws? "That's great news! Why hadn't I heard about this before? Perhaps because it's complete nonsense?" Possibly. But also possible that you get your news from Spiegel Online. We will never know... "Left wing junta? With a Christian conservative chancellor and completely ineffectual so-called left wing parties?" Former Stasi Agent Merkel is a left-wing dream come true. All left wing projects were realized by her. Marriage for all? Sure. (By the way Marriage with a child? Ok, we accept if you are a Muslim immigrant. Polygamy? Okay, we accept.) End of nuclear energy? Done by Merkel. Energy revolution? Done! Open boarders for all? Done! It is not surprising that the left wing musician Campino and former left wing foreign minister Fischer have strongly spoken for Merkel. "We can not have a better chancellor than her". IM Erika (her Stasi undercover name) has been a nightmare for Germany.
jk2323 8y ago
"I have discussed this topic many times with my German girlfriend and her family in Germany (we live in Denmark), and you are so completely off on your "predictions", it's not even funny." Honest advice: Get another girl friend. No kidding!
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  That was absolutely uncalled for.