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Automatic Photography with Google Clips
- aresant 8y agoSeeing Google's approach to quantifying life's special moments in this blog post brings out the luddite in me. When we had our first child every moment we captured felt special. It was awe inspiring to watch our little human encounter and respond to the world. The big ones like the first step, the first word, the first laugh. And the smaller ones like encounters with new friends, grandparents, first time at the beach, etc. After we had our second it was strange to see the similar reactions. And we realized how many of these milestone responses were innate. And predictable. It wasn't necessarily less endearing but a little less magical as parents. Google's approach is spot on. And it makes me sad that life's "special moments" aren't just predictable, they're inherently quantifiable by very basic AI. As we barrel towards an AI enabled future it's going to be bittersweet to unwravel & index the human experience.
- sharcerer 8y agoChange is always frightening.
- musage 8y ago"tattoo.... why don't you have any tattoo?!?"
- yjftsjthsd-h 8y agoFrequently for good reason.
- exodust 8y agoI don't really get the point you're making. The AI isn't aware of parental concerns, preferences or human behaviour specific to childhood activity. It's evaluating "interestingness" visually, after someone chooses to put the camera in front of an already interesting active area such as kids playing. The AI is not waking up and saying to itself, "initiate full power mode immediately because I detect children playing in an interesting manner". While I love new photo gadgets, the 3 hour battery life is a little disappointing. I do like the general idea though, although what were they thinking not adding a microphone? Incidentally, I wonder what machine learning would take from reading your post. Would it conclude that one sentence per paragraph is a good thing worth replicating? I hope not!
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- ShabbosGoy 8y agoThat’s the problem when most laypersons (including many in tech) talk about AI. It adds noise to what machine learning actually is today, and makes it hard to argue about the ethics of it when most people don’t know how to frame the problem.
- rossjudson 8y agoI hadn't thought about it in such personal terms. Sadly, increasingly, algorithm == fate.
- leemailll 8y agoit's so weird that they are selling a camera but doesn't list resolution in tech spec but pixel density. also for that price, one buy 3 raspberry pi with camera achieving same function
- icebraining 8y agoIt's not the same function. In fact, TFA is all about a feature that you don't get with a raspberry. Also, you also need a battery, and you won't fit the whole thing in the same size.
- exodust 8y agoI agree their spec page is missing some specs. Resolution appears to be 1080 x 1080 - after downloading the clip on their page. I assume this is max resolution but who knows. One of the example videos is actually 30 fps, they must have bumped up the framerate before publishing for some reason, or maybe the app does this by default... https://mannequin.storage.googleapis.com/austin-overview/smart/video3.mp4 https://mannequin.storage.googleapis.com/austin-overview/sma...
- pmontra 8y agoI wonder why it works only with the Pixels, iPhones and the Galaxy 7 and 8. Is there some special hardware in those phones that any other phone doesn't have?
- habitue 8y agoLikely Bluetooth 5 if I had to guess. Much higher bandwidth
- askvictor 8y agoTech specs say it requires wi-fi direct and Bluetooth le. The latter is part of Bluetooth 4 spec. The tech specs also say it requires Android 7.0; nothing of specific phones (or iPhones)
- habitue 8y agoOk, well there goes that theory
- fluffyllemon 8y agoFrom the store page [1]: """ Compatible Android devices: Google Pixel, Google Pixel XL, Google Pixel 2, Google Pixel 2 XL, Samsung Galaxy S7, Samsung Galaxy S8. Compatible iOS devices: iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus, iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone X. """ And the support page [2]: """ Google Clips™ currently supports the following Android devices running Android 7.0 Nougat and above: Pixel and Pixel XL Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL Samsung Galaxy S7 Samsung Galaxy S8 Google Clips currently supports the following iOS devices running iOS 11 and above: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus iPhone X """ [1] https://store.google.com/us/product/google_clips_specs?hl=en-US https://store.google.com/us/product/google_clips_specs?hl=en... [2] https://support.google.com/googleclips/answer/7545354?hl=en&ref_topic=7334536 https://support.google.com/googleclips/answer/7545354?hl=en&...
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- chime 8y agoIf I understand it right, the best use-case would be a party or event where I could place the Clips camera pointed at the center/stage. The camera would record for 3 hours and then at the end I could sync it with my phone to get the best clips. I can imagine having 3-4 of these 'Pick me up and point me at something interesting' cameras for guests at a wedding. Instead of a human having to filter through hours and hours of video, wedding photographers could offer a set of cameras for $100/hour and then use the clips to make a short video with the most interesting clips.
- everdev 8y agoYes, but it only captures short motion pictures with no audio.
- onion2k 8y agoAs anyone who's been near a film set will tell you, capturing good quality audio in a busy environment is virtually impossible. You'll never get good sound using today's technology in a form like Clips, so that it doesn't really matter that it doesn't record it. Just dub some music or commentary over the top later.
- exodust 8y agoTell that to the billions of people already happily capturing video with sound on their phones. Considering playback is often a phone speaker, it's not like people require "film set" quality audio recordings. They just want to hear audio from the recorded location, no matter how rough. In saying that, I understand the Google Clips position with no audio, but I'd likely skip it because of this.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y agoWell, you can always add the audio manually from the original clip. If it marks the timestamps, this could be done by a simple mp4box script.
- jaggederest 8y agoI've thought for a while that the right thing, given bulletproof privacy controls anyway, was a wearable camera that just captures 24/7 video/audio with retrospective analysis for significance. I don't know of anyone I'd trust with such a stream, though. It would have to be on device, as they say.
- davchana 8y agobut if it is only on device, (the video) then it is easily possible to get the device damaged, lost, broken, robbed in order to stop that retrospective analysis by a bad actor.
- jaggederest 8y agoMy goal is not "preventing bad things", but rather "remembering interesting things".
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- conradev 8y agoWhat if the data was synced between a small circle of your devices using end to end encryption and each device itself had full disk encryption with a strong security model to back it? Prevents against most common data loss scenarios while protecting the information from bad actors.
- TeMPOraL 8y agoOr a good actor. Let's not pretend it's only good actors that want privacy, and bad actors that want access.
- davchana 8y agoi meant robbed or damaged by a bad actor, Analysis I meant for user's own use by user.
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- jeffehobbs 8y agoI have one of these. It's neat, but the low frame rate for video makes the clips themselves look choppy and genrallly subpar compared to phone video. The "editorial" choices the camera makes are usually pretty great, though, erring on the side of conservative even at the higher settings.
- exodust 8y agoI guess they're targeting the shareable gfycat style of clip. Silent, looping, eye-catching. I agree I'd prefer better framerate. I'd also prefer a mic. It's a shame that "privacy" may have been a factor in omitting the mic, when it should be a choice for the user. What's the minimum focus distance? They don't say on their tech specs page.
- reaperducer 8y agoGoogle PHB: How can be bring in more data from the real world that we can analyze, categorize, and monetize? Google dev: Photos are our most powerful data gathering tool. Google marketing: People go lots of places and do lots of things that they don't photograph. How do we fix that? Google PHB: We need to make it so they never ever stop taking pictures for us. Google marketing: We'll make an app called "Clips" and tell them it's to make their lives better, while it takes pictures of all kinds of things around them that they didn't intend for anyone to see! Google PHB: And we'll market it as "AI" because people will fall for anything if you call it "AI" or "Machine Learning." Google management: Great idea! Raises all around! Except for the dev. Just throw another squeaky toy in his playpen. He'll think it's a bonus.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y agoI know you meant it as a joke, but deep inside I feel there might be some truth to it.
- theyinwhy 8y agoAm I the only one who thinks the advertised pictures on the site look awful? Low focal length, high aperture, no artistic look and feel at all. Why would I want such low quality looking pictures? With such images it seems to be more a device for scientific purposes than for capturing valuable moments of my life I want to frame and hang in my kitchen.
- wffurr 8y agoHow do they compare with the typical smartphone camera picture? That's what they're aiming for here. Building an automated DSLR would raise both the price and the ML difficulty substantially. Given your stated preferences, I am going to guess that you are not the target market for this. People who post on Facebook or order photo books from Shutterfly are.
- theyinwhy 8y agoThe images advertised look worse than those of mid-range smartphone cameras. Compare those images with images of e.g. an iphone se and you will see that the focal length of google clip distorts people to a level of ridicule. Do you think there is a market for this camera? Because I really think there is not: Extra gadget, needs to be setup anyways and, above all, poor image quality (see advertised images), not en par with mid range smartphones. Let's wait for next year to see if that product worked.