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Fast food vegans sure do die. And if you believe that nothing you can eat can be toxic to your body, you already lost in life.

by aviv 8y ago

jrace 8y ago
All vegans die, all things can be toxic to the human body, water and even air. Plants and vegetables were "alive" in some capacity before they were torn from their natural habit, violently macerated and forced into a highly acidic stomach to be digested over a period of hours.
- aviv 8y ago
  Fruits are given to you by nature, no one takes them violently (unless picked unripe, which is a problem on its own in this country). Also unlike dead flesh, they take at most 30ish minutes to digest, not hours where they go rancid in your body like most other foods.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >Fruits are given to you by nature, no one takes them violently You'd be surprised: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic >Also unlike dead flesh This has a tone of religious indignation in it. You do know that it's not only perfectly natural, but that there are species that have evolved evolutionary to eat meat, the ones we call carnivores, right?
    - aviv 8y ago
      Again you resort to extremes to justify your (likely) unhealthy lifestyle and make a point that really contributes nothing to the conversation. And then, what is your second point there? Are you a carnivore? Why is "dead flesh" triggering you so much? Are you ripping into live animals in the wild and swallowing them whole? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, I would love to meet the first lion using HN.
      - coldtea 8y ago
        >And then, what is your second point there? Are you a carnivore? No, but I'm an omnivore, and belong to a species that has been known to be eating meat all throughout its evolutionary history [1], and throughout all its 4+ millennia of actual civilization and history, all around the world. So, there's that. >Why is "dead flesh" triggering you so much? Don't confuse someone objecting to morally loaded language like "dead flesh" with being "triggered". In fact, don't use cheap parlor tricks like "why are you triggered" to shift the discussion from arguments to sentiments and ad hominem. >Are you ripping into live animals in the wild and swallowing them whole? If live oysters qualify, then yes. But usually we don't call what we eat "dead flesh", in the same way we don't say we eat "ground wheat" when we eat bread or pasta. we eat steaks and meatballs and so on. We also don't eat just the flesh. We also eat the skin -- and some of us, we enjoy the bone marrow too. So your phrasing is just a cheap (and insulting to our intelligence) trick to impose a sentimental undertone to the discussion. Which is part of the reason you have been downvoted to grayness. Plus, fruits and plants are still alive when you eat them (their cells are still working fine) -- so, are you eating them alive? You monster! [1] https://www.americanscientist.org/article/meat-eating-among-the-earliest-humans https://www.americanscientist.org/article/meat-eating-among-...
DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
Everything you metabolize both keeps you alive, and harms you. Like fruit? Well, pectin isn’t very good you in the long run. Metabolic activity is messy, produces toxins we need to Eli inste through urine and feces, and that’s that. We’re all dying, and no fantasy of a special diet can change that. While some diets are better for you than others, it’s not as laughably clear cut as “eating death” or whatever nonsense. The very act of living produces toxins, period.
- throwaway5752 8y ago
  Wait. Please elaborate on how pectin isn't good for you.
  - DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
    Oxidation of pectin produces a small quantity of formaldehyde as a metabolite. I’m not suggesting that you shouldn’t eat fruit or jams by the way, it’s just an example of how something considered broadly healthy still produces toxins that require elimination. Metabolism by its very nature produces energy and “exhaust” in the form of heat and metabolites. To be clear, you’re getting a lot more methanol metabolism from a drink of alcohol than an apple, so eat the fruit. No matter what we do we’re. It living forever based on diet, we should just try to avoid too much excess and accept that living isn’t a thermodynamically favorable process.
    - trentlott 8y ago
      Formaldehyde is such a small molecule that you'll never avoid it. It forms pretty easily.
      - cimmanom 8y ago
        Molecule size isn't what determines how easily a molecule forms.
    - throwaway5752 8y ago
      ... So, "The benefits of eating fresh fruits infinitely outweighs the negatives of pectin. Even pure pectin probably is a net benefit because it slows sugar digestion and lowers cholesterol absorption vs the small amount of formaldehyde produced as a metabolic byproduct." ... would that be a more better way of describing pectin than what you said earlier?
emmelaich 8y ago
There's a few cases of people going all-meat -- apparently successfully fixing autoimmune and inflammation.
coldtea 8y ago
>Fast food vegans sure do die. As opposed to proper vegans, who live forever? >And if you believe that nothing you can eat can be toxic to your body, you already lost in life. Plenty can be toxic, including all kinds of plants (heroin is made from a plant). But the best diets according to longevity statistics and scientific studies still include meat, e.g. the Mediterranean diet. Or you can ignore those, and opt for some semi-mystical, culting fad diet.
- aviv 8y ago
  It's funny how in these type of threads people like to play dumb. Obviously no one is saying vegans live forever. It's not what this is about. Even if we all die eventually, why not have the best quality if life possible and have as few health problems possible, if any at all?
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >Even if we all die eventually, why not have the best quality if life possible and have as few health problems possible, if any at all? That's not what's disputed here though. That a vegan diet is the best way to achieve that, is.
    - aviv 8y ago
      There is no such single concept as a vegan diet. Drinking coca cola is vegan. "Vegans" can have a diet worse than those who simply consume animal products. I did not say the answer is a vegan diet, commenters here kind of assumed it.
      - coldtea 8y ago
        >There is no such single concept as a vegan diet. Well, you now get all subtle on us, whereas a few comments before you summed consuming meat as "eat death, get death". Turns out there's not a single concept as a "non vegan diet" either. It doesn't mean one gorges on huge steaks all day, or one doesn't have a perfectly healthy and balanced diet.

Fast food vegans sure do die. And if you believe that nothing you can eat can be toxic to your body, you already lost in life.

by aviv 8y ago

Fast food vegans sure do die. And if you believe that nothing you can eat can be toxic to your body, you already lost in life.

jrace 8y ago

All vegans die, all things can be toxic to the human body, water and even air. Plants and vegetables were "alive" in some capacity before they were torn from their natural habit, violently macerated and forced into a highly acidic stomach to be digested over a period of hours.

aviv 8y ago
Fruits are given to you by nature, no one takes them violently (unless picked unripe, which is a problem on its own in this country). Also unlike dead flesh, they take at most 30ish minutes to digest, not hours where they go rancid in your body like most other foods.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >Fruits are given to you by nature, no one takes them violently You'd be surprised: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic >Also unlike dead flesh This has a tone of religious indignation in it. You do know that it's not only perfectly natural, but that there are species that have evolved evolutionary to eat meat, the ones we call carnivores, right?
  - aviv 8y ago
    Again you resort to extremes to justify your (likely) unhealthy lifestyle and make a point that really contributes nothing to the conversation. And then, what is your second point there? Are you a carnivore? Why is "dead flesh" triggering you so much? Are you ripping into live animals in the wild and swallowing them whole? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, I would love to meet the first lion using HN.
    - coldtea 8y ago
      >And then, what is your second point there? Are you a carnivore? No, but I'm an omnivore, and belong to a species that has been known to be eating meat all throughout its evolutionary history [1], and throughout all its 4+ millennia of actual civilization and history, all around the world. So, there's that. >Why is "dead flesh" triggering you so much? Don't confuse someone objecting to morally loaded language like "dead flesh" with being "triggered". In fact, don't use cheap parlor tricks like "why are you triggered" to shift the discussion from arguments to sentiments and ad hominem. >Are you ripping into live animals in the wild and swallowing them whole? If live oysters qualify, then yes. But usually we don't call what we eat "dead flesh", in the same way we don't say we eat "ground wheat" when we eat bread or pasta. we eat steaks and meatballs and so on. We also don't eat just the flesh. We also eat the skin -- and some of us, we enjoy the bone marrow too. So your phrasing is just a cheap (and insulting to our intelligence) trick to impose a sentimental undertone to the discussion. Which is part of the reason you have been downvoted to grayness. Plus, fruits and plants are still alive when you eat them (their cells are still working fine) -- so, are you eating them alive? You monster! [1] https://www.americanscientist.org/article/meat-eating-among-the-earliest-humans https://www.americanscientist.org/article/meat-eating-among-...

DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago

Everything you metabolize both keeps you alive, and harms you. Like fruit? Well, pectin isn’t very good you in the long run. Metabolic activity is messy, produces toxins we need to Eli inste through urine and feces, and that’s that. We’re all dying, and no fantasy of a special diet can change that. While some diets are better for you than others, it’s not as laughably clear cut as “eating death” or whatever nonsense. The very act of living produces toxins, period.

throwaway5752 8y ago
Wait. Please elaborate on how pectin isn't good for you.
- DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
  Oxidation of pectin produces a small quantity of formaldehyde as a metabolite. I’m not suggesting that you shouldn’t eat fruit or jams by the way, it’s just an example of how something considered broadly healthy still produces toxins that require elimination. Metabolism by its very nature produces energy and “exhaust” in the form of heat and metabolites. To be clear, you’re getting a lot more methanol metabolism from a drink of alcohol than an apple, so eat the fruit. No matter what we do we’re. It living forever based on diet, we should just try to avoid too much excess and accept that living isn’t a thermodynamically favorable process.
  - trentlott 8y ago
    Formaldehyde is such a small molecule that you'll never avoid it. It forms pretty easily.
    - cimmanom 8y ago
      Molecule size isn't what determines how easily a molecule forms.
  - throwaway5752 8y ago
    ... So, "The benefits of eating fresh fruits infinitely outweighs the negatives of pectin. Even pure pectin probably is a net benefit because it slows sugar digestion and lowers cholesterol absorption vs the small amount of formaldehyde produced as a metabolic byproduct." ... would that be a more better way of describing pectin than what you said earlier?

emmelaich 8y ago

There's a few cases of people going all-meat -- apparently successfully fixing autoimmune and inflammation.

coldtea 8y ago

>Fast food vegans sure do die. As opposed to proper vegans, who live forever? >And if you believe that nothing you can eat can be toxic to your body, you already lost in life. Plenty can be toxic, including all kinds of plants (heroin is made from a plant). But the best diets according to longevity statistics and scientific studies still include meat, e.g. the Mediterranean diet. Or you can ignore those, and opt for some semi-mystical, culting fad diet.

aviv 8y ago
It's funny how in these type of threads people like to play dumb. Obviously no one is saying vegans live forever. It's not what this is about. Even if we all die eventually, why not have the best quality if life possible and have as few health problems possible, if any at all?
- coldtea 8y ago
  >Even if we all die eventually, why not have the best quality if life possible and have as few health problems possible, if any at all? That's not what's disputed here though. That a vegan diet is the best way to achieve that, is.
  - aviv 8y ago
    There is no such single concept as a vegan diet. Drinking coca cola is vegan. "Vegans" can have a diet worse than those who simply consume animal products. I did not say the answer is a vegan diet, commenters here kind of assumed it.
    - coldtea 8y ago
      >There is no such single concept as a vegan diet. Well, you now get all subtle on us, whereas a few comments before you summed consuming meat as "eat death, get death". Turns out there's not a single concept as a "non vegan diet" either. It doesn't mean one gorges on huge steaks all day, or one doesn't have a perfectly healthy and balanced diet.