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Please hacker news... use your skeptical nature and research inclination to understand where this junk is coming from. This is a propaganda outfit. I have a su

Please hacker news... use your skeptical nature and research inclination to understand where this junk is coming from. This is a propaganda outfit. I have a suspicion HN is getting played here... upvotes and downvotes seem suspicious on these comments. Some info on who Media Lens and FiveFilters are... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/02/fuller https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/02/fuller

endorphone 8y ago
Pointing the spotlight on someone in this manner could of course be agenda driven, but the source is irrelevant -- the actions of the individual are the antithesis of what Wikipedia is supposed to be about. His actions indict him fully, and for his own health he should really find other pursuits.
k1m 8y ago
There's no mention of us in that article and we didn't exist in 2006. As for Media Lens, I googled the author's name and Media Lens and this article came up. Might be interesting too: http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2006/449-maelstrom-of-vitriol-the-bbc-smears-media-lens.html http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2006/449...
PrimHelios 8y ago
I mean, you can actually see the edits the guy makes. Why would FiveFilters falsely defend Media Lens - a conservative organization - while attacking a wiki editor who is extremely pro-war? Your argument really only makes sense if the editor is liberal and attacking Media Lens and FiveFilters.
- crazydoggers 8y ago
  Their issue with the editor is that he cares about sources... so whenever these anti media outfits want to post unsubstantial claims in Wikipedia, he has a problem with that (as he should). This is propaganda war at its finest. Make it look like conservatives and liberals agree with your points... then gloss over actual facts with hand waving. Most people won’t dig deep enough to find out the truth. These guys just want to control the narrative and generate public opinion that we should doubt our journalistic institutions. And if we stop caring about journalism and hard facts and the importance of sources, then our democracy is going to have real issues. Their ties with Russian propaganda outfits should also be troubling. Do a little googling and you’ll see a host of pro Russian conspiracy stuff from these “agencies”.

endorphone 8y ago

Pointing the spotlight on someone in this manner could of course be agenda driven, but the source is irrelevant -- the actions of the individual are the antithesis of what Wikipedia is supposed to be about. His actions indict him fully, and for his own health he should really find other pursuits.

k1m 8y ago

There's no mention of us in that article and we didn't exist in 2006. As for Media Lens, I googled the author's name and Media Lens and this article came up. Might be interesting too: http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2006/449-maelstrom-of-vitriol-the-bbc-smears-media-lens.html http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2006/449...

PrimHelios 8y ago

I mean, you can actually see the edits the guy makes. Why would FiveFilters falsely defend Media Lens - a conservative organization - while attacking a wiki editor who is extremely pro-war? Your argument really only makes sense if the editor is liberal and attacking Media Lens and FiveFilters.

crazydoggers 8y ago
Their issue with the editor is that he cares about sources... so whenever these anti media outfits want to post unsubstantial claims in Wikipedia, he has a problem with that (as he should). This is propaganda war at its finest. Make it look like conservatives and liberals agree with your points... then gloss over actual facts with hand waving. Most people won’t dig deep enough to find out the truth. These guys just want to control the narrative and generate public opinion that we should doubt our journalistic institutions. And if we stop caring about journalism and hard facts and the importance of sources, then our democracy is going to have real issues. Their ties with Russian propaganda outfits should also be troubling. Do a little googling and you’ll see a host of pro Russian conspiracy stuff from these “agencies”.