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Chrome Binary Size

116 points by mcantelon 16y ago

thehodge 16y ago
This is a pretty awesome way to visualise filesizes of various things... never seen it before..
- stilist 16y ago
  http://grandperspectiv.sourceforge.net/ http://grandperspectiv.sourceforge.net/
  - mcantelon 16y ago
    ...And for the Windows community: http://www.sixty-five.cc/sm/ http://www.sixty-five.cc/sm/ Is there a Linux equivalent?
    - xutopia 16y ago
      du -hs /home/* | sort -k 1,1 /edit typo
      - _delirium 16y ago
        Hmm, that and the Mac and Windows utilities linked don't seem to be doing what's needed to generate this Chrome view, though. The Chrome binary is a single file on disk, and this treeview is digging into it to figure out which components contribute to the final size of the statically linked binary.
    - ChRoss 16y ago
      I use WinDirStat for Windows http://windirstat.sourceforge.net/ http://windirstat.sourceforge.net/
    - sparky 16y ago
      I use KDirStat http://kdirstat.sourceforge.net/ http://kdirstat.sourceforge.net/
      - slug 16y ago
        Someone is working on a kde4 port, see comments at http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDirStat?content=10159 http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDirStat?content=10159 Gnome also comes with something similar.
    - eklitzke 16y ago
      In addition to the standard 'du' command, which you can sort and munge with the standard unix stuff, Gnome has bundled the 'baobab' utility for the last few releases (so if you're on a relatively recent Gnome release, you probably already have it installed). It has an interactive "rings" view and a "treemap" view, which are both pretty nifty.
    - decklin 16y ago
      I've always stuck with du | xdu. Except for the primitive rendering it is rather reminiscent of webtreemap (or vice versa, i guess) -- click to dive down, top to go back up.
    - junkbit 16y ago
      You can get a pretty interactive treemap of the linux filesytem using http://gdmap.sourceforge.net/ http://gdmap.sourceforge.net/ [screenshot] http://gdmap.sourceforge.net/img/gdmap-preview.png http://gdmap.sourceforge.net/img/gdmap-preview.png You can also see a treemap of the kernel although it is static http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/millionvis/Treemap_Visualization_of_the_Linux_Kernel_2_5_33.html http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/millionvis/Treemap_Visualization_...
    - tonfa 16y ago
      For Gnome, it's called baobab (in Applications -> Accessories -> Disk Usage Analyzer).
    - ZeroGravitas 16y ago
      In Ubuntu the default "Disk Usage Analyser" (the projeect name is "Boabab") in Applications -> Accessories does this. By default it's a ring chart but there's a menu to select treemap instead. The authors seem to believe that treemaps are good for comparing only size, but the ring chart shows hierarchy well too. http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-ringschart.html http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-ringschart.html http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-treemaps.html http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-treemaps.html
- mcantelon 16y ago
  It's very handy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treemapping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treemapping
- acqq 16y ago
  For displaying files on the disk it's actually patented. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5987469.html http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5987469.html Estimated Expiration Date: May 13, 2017
  - troutwine 16y ago
    Interesting. My first thought on finishing your post was "How rude; you've tainted us all with the knowledge of a that patent." Evidence of manners in the making I suppose; adaptation of custom in the face of seemingly immovable, shared burdens.
    - WalterGR 16y ago
      "How rude; you've tainted us all with the knowledge of a that patent." What is required to prove willful patent infringement? Is "Defendant's web history shows (s)he accessed a web page on which someone claimed the patent existed" sufficient? EDIT: "Defendant", not "plaintiff".
    - acqq 16y ago
      In most development scenarios you are actually interested to know which patents can potentially get you sued so please explain how exactly is the awareness of the patent existence of the disadvantage to you.
      - duskwuff 16y ago
        Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_infringement_under_United_States_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_infringement_under_Unite...): > If an infringer is found to have deliberately infringed a patent (i.e. "willful" infringement), then punitive damages can be assessed up to three times the actual damages. Legal fees can also be assessed. If it cannot be proven that an infringer had knowledge of the patent, though, the damages that can be assessed are substantially lower.
        acqq 16y ago
mrdoob2 16y ago
Generated with this: http://github.com/martine/bloat http://github.com/martine/bloat via http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/aaefd56a3adc44c5 http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-dev/b...
- avar 16y ago
  I patched it to support generation on 64 bit systems: http://github.com/martine/bloat/issues#issue/1 http://github.com/martine/bloat/issues#issue/1
eitally 16y ago
Sequoiaview and Treesize are two good, free Windows options. Treesize, in particular, has a prettier output and a ton more features. We install it on all our Windows servers because it makes disk cleanups so much easier. Here's the free version: http://www.jam-software.com/treesize_personal/ http://www.jam-software.com/treesize_personal/
mtigas 16y ago
I do have to point out that this visualization represents the binary executable size of Chrome, not the source tree. (According to another comment, it's generated with http://github.com/martine/bloat http://github.com/martine/bloat .) Noticed a lot of folks linking to directory treesize visualizations. This — breaking down a compiled binary to show the size of it’s constituent components — is a ton more interesting to me.
- Lerc 16y ago
  ...and yet it includes header files. curious. Looking at what's there, it looks like it can compile and run C (in nativeclient?).
  - caf 16y ago
    It's possible to define symbols in header files (for example, inline functions).
    - _delirium 16y ago
      I thought the way the C preprocessor worked, those ended up getting literally copy and pasted into the .c file that #include'd them, and should be indistinguishable from the case where you wrote them directly in the .c file? Or does gcc keep track of where #include'd files came from, and write that info into the binary?
      - parbo 16y ago
        Yes, otherwise you'd never find syntax errors in the header files.
        scott_s 16y ago
        But that's during the compilation phase - this is the compiled binary. Binaries that are compiled with debugging information turned on will include this information for a similar reason: so that when you're debugging a program, or when it breaks, you can map that to places in your source file.
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scott_s 16y ago
This is an amazing visualization, but I don't like using the term "bloat." What would you take away? Keep in mind that Chrome's architecture is purposefully approaching that of an operating system.
- blasdel 16y ago
  Please stop repeating that canard, it got old years ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=297297 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=297297
  - argsv 16y ago
    this is a bit newer http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os
    - blasdel 16y ago
      I'm actually waiting to buy a Netbook until it comes out, in the vain hope that someone will ship a decent ARM-based system using it. But it is just slightly-extended Chrome running directly in X unparented without the standard Gnome Desktop BS on otherwise stock Ubuntu.
      - aaronblohowiak 16y ago
        tmux+vim+chrome is all i really need. (and a full posix system down below, of course)
        blasdel 16y ago
        What I want is NaCL implementations of urxvt+SSH and VNC/RDP. I don't need yet another local posix system to maintain, I want remote access to my real server where my main screen session lives, and I want that access to live in a tab.
        16y ago
davidst 16y ago
Imagine a tool that would take the output of a profiler and render an interactive graphic like this for both: (A) data structure sizes and (B) run-time performance. That would be incredibly useful.
- cma 16y ago
  kcachegrind http://www.google.com/images?q=kcachegrind http://www.google.com/images?q=kcachegrind
  - davidst 16y ago
    Cool, thanks! Too bad there's not a Windows version, though.
    - noibl 16y ago
      Or is there.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/wincachegrind/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/wincachegrind/
      - gjm11 16y ago
        Seems to be PHP-specific: it processes the output from something called "xdebug 2", which is a PHP extension that dumps detailed information about what your code is doing. Not quite the same target audience as kcachegrind...
ZeroGravitas 16y ago
What does Chrome use Speex (a low-bitrate voice codec) for? edit: answering my own question, a speech-to-text in HTML proposal from Google https://docs.google.com/View?id=dcfg79pz_5dhnp23f5 https://docs.google.com/View?id=dcfg79pz_5dhnp23f5 http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-May/026338.html http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-May... http://www.jeremyselier.com/entry/speech-attribute-demo http://www.jeremyselier.com/entry/speech-attribute-demo
- senko 16y ago
  Chrome also incorporates libjingle, Google's library for ICE-like RTP handling, used in Google Talk / Google Video, which also uses Speex for voice part.

Chrome Binary Size

116 points by mcantelon 16y ago

thehodge 16y ago

This is a pretty awesome way to visualise filesizes of various things... never seen it before..

stilist 16y ago
http://grandperspectiv.sourceforge.net/ http://grandperspectiv.sourceforge.net/
- mcantelon 16y ago
  ...And for the Windows community: http://www.sixty-five.cc/sm/ http://www.sixty-five.cc/sm/ Is there a Linux equivalent?
  - xutopia 16y ago
    du -hs /home/* | sort -k 1,1 /edit typo
    - _delirium 16y ago
      Hmm, that and the Mac and Windows utilities linked don't seem to be doing what's needed to generate this Chrome view, though. The Chrome binary is a single file on disk, and this treeview is digging into it to figure out which components contribute to the final size of the statically linked binary.
  - ChRoss 16y ago
    I use WinDirStat for Windows http://windirstat.sourceforge.net/ http://windirstat.sourceforge.net/
  - sparky 16y ago
    I use KDirStat http://kdirstat.sourceforge.net/ http://kdirstat.sourceforge.net/
    - slug 16y ago
      Someone is working on a kde4 port, see comments at http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDirStat?content=10159 http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDirStat?content=10159 Gnome also comes with something similar.
  - eklitzke 16y ago
    In addition to the standard 'du' command, which you can sort and munge with the standard unix stuff, Gnome has bundled the 'baobab' utility for the last few releases (so if you're on a relatively recent Gnome release, you probably already have it installed). It has an interactive "rings" view and a "treemap" view, which are both pretty nifty.
  - decklin 16y ago
    I've always stuck with du | xdu. Except for the primitive rendering it is rather reminiscent of webtreemap (or vice versa, i guess) -- click to dive down, top to go back up.
  - junkbit 16y ago
    You can get a pretty interactive treemap of the linux filesytem using http://gdmap.sourceforge.net/ http://gdmap.sourceforge.net/ [screenshot] http://gdmap.sourceforge.net/img/gdmap-preview.png http://gdmap.sourceforge.net/img/gdmap-preview.png You can also see a treemap of the kernel although it is static http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/millionvis/Treemap_Visualization_of_the_Linux_Kernel_2_5_33.html http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/millionvis/Treemap_Visualization_...
  - tonfa 16y ago
    For Gnome, it's called baobab (in Applications -> Accessories -> Disk Usage Analyzer).
  - ZeroGravitas 16y ago
    In Ubuntu the default "Disk Usage Analyser" (the projeect name is "Boabab") in Applications -> Accessories does this. By default it's a ring chart but there's a menu to select treemap instead. The authors seem to believe that treemaps are good for comparing only size, but the ring chart shows hierarchy well too. http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-ringschart.html http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-ringschart.html http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-treemaps.html http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-treemaps.html
mcantelon 16y ago
It's very handy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treemapping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treemapping
acqq 16y ago
For displaying files on the disk it's actually patented. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5987469.html http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5987469.html Estimated Expiration Date: May 13, 2017
- troutwine 16y ago
  Interesting. My first thought on finishing your post was "How rude; you've tainted us all with the knowledge of a that patent." Evidence of manners in the making I suppose; adaptation of custom in the face of seemingly immovable, shared burdens.
  - WalterGR 16y ago
    "How rude; you've tainted us all with the knowledge of a that patent." What is required to prove willful patent infringement? Is "Defendant's web history shows (s)he accessed a web page on which someone claimed the patent existed" sufficient? EDIT: "Defendant", not "plaintiff".
  - acqq 16y ago
    In most development scenarios you are actually interested to know which patents can potentially get you sued so please explain how exactly is the awareness of the patent existence of the disadvantage to you.
    - duskwuff 16y ago
      Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_infringement_under_United_States_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_infringement_under_Unite...): > If an infringer is found to have deliberately infringed a patent (i.e. "willful" infringement), then punitive damages can be assessed up to three times the actual damages. Legal fees can also be assessed. If it cannot be proven that an infringer had knowledge of the patent, though, the damages that can be assessed are substantially lower.
      - acqq 16y ago

mrdoob2 16y ago

Generated with this: http://github.com/martine/bloat http://github.com/martine/bloat via http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/aaefd56a3adc44c5 http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-dev/b...

avar 16y ago
I patched it to support generation on 64 bit systems: http://github.com/martine/bloat/issues#issue/1 http://github.com/martine/bloat/issues#issue/1

eitally 16y ago

Sequoiaview and Treesize are two good, free Windows options. Treesize, in particular, has a prettier output and a ton more features. We install it on all our Windows servers because it makes disk cleanups so much easier. Here's the free version: http://www.jam-software.com/treesize_personal/ http://www.jam-software.com/treesize_personal/

mtigas 16y ago

I do have to point out that this visualization represents the binary executable size of Chrome, not the source tree. (According to another comment, it's generated with http://github.com/martine/bloat http://github.com/martine/bloat .) Noticed a lot of folks linking to directory treesize visualizations. This — breaking down a compiled binary to show the size of it’s constituent components — is a ton more interesting to me.

Lerc 16y ago
...and yet it includes header files. curious. Looking at what's there, it looks like it can compile and run C (in nativeclient?).
- caf 16y ago
  It's possible to define symbols in header files (for example, inline functions).
  - _delirium 16y ago
    I thought the way the C preprocessor worked, those ended up getting literally copy and pasted into the .c file that #include'd them, and should be indistinguishable from the case where you wrote them directly in the .c file? Or does gcc keep track of where #include'd files came from, and write that info into the binary?
    - parbo 16y ago
      Yes, otherwise you'd never find syntax errors in the header files.
      - scott_s 16y ago
        But that's during the compilation phase - this is the compiled binary. Binaries that are compiled with debugging information turned on will include this information for a similar reason: so that when you're debugging a program, or when it breaks, you can map that to places in your source file.

deleted 16y ago

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scott_s 16y ago

This is an amazing visualization, but I don't like using the term "bloat." What would you take away? Keep in mind that Chrome's architecture is purposefully approaching that of an operating system.

blasdel 16y ago
Please stop repeating that canard, it got old years ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=297297 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=297297
- argsv 16y ago
  this is a bit newer http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os
  - blasdel 16y ago
    I'm actually waiting to buy a Netbook until it comes out, in the vain hope that someone will ship a decent ARM-based system using it. But it is just slightly-extended Chrome running directly in X unparented without the standard Gnome Desktop BS on otherwise stock Ubuntu.
    - aaronblohowiak 16y ago
      tmux+vim+chrome is all i really need. (and a full posix system down below, of course)
      - blasdel 16y ago
        What I want is NaCL implementations of urxvt+SSH and VNC/RDP. I don't need yet another local posix system to maintain, I want remote access to my real server where my main screen session lives, and I want that access to live in a tab.
        16y ago

davidst 16y ago

Imagine a tool that would take the output of a profiler and render an interactive graphic like this for both: (A) data structure sizes and (B) run-time performance. That would be incredibly useful.

cma 16y ago
kcachegrind http://www.google.com/images?q=kcachegrind http://www.google.com/images?q=kcachegrind
- davidst 16y ago
  Cool, thanks! Too bad there's not a Windows version, though.
  - noibl 16y ago
    Or is there.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/wincachegrind/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/wincachegrind/
    - gjm11 16y ago
      Seems to be PHP-specific: it processes the output from something called "xdebug 2", which is a PHP extension that dumps detailed information about what your code is doing. Not quite the same target audience as kcachegrind...

ZeroGravitas 16y ago

What does Chrome use Speex (a low-bitrate voice codec) for? edit: answering my own question, a speech-to-text in HTML proposal from Google https://docs.google.com/View?id=dcfg79pz_5dhnp23f5 https://docs.google.com/View?id=dcfg79pz_5dhnp23f5 http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-May/026338.html http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-May... http://www.jeremyselier.com/entry/speech-attribute-demo http://www.jeremyselier.com/entry/speech-attribute-demo

senko 16y ago
Chrome also incorporates libjingle, Google's library for ICE-like RTP handling, used in Google Talk / Google Video, which also uses Speex for voice part.