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US has one of the biggest jail population in the world, which also exhibits a big social bias toward black males. Then it has the biggest military budget in th

US has one of the biggest jail population in the world, which also exhibits a big social bias toward black males. Then it has the biggest military budget in the world, despite the fact no country has attacked it for centuries. But it did invade Irak, while lying about the WMD and against the vote of almost the entire world. Before that it used drugs to finance big entities, funded dictatorships and dropped the second bomb on Japan during WWII, ignoring that the first one did the job. It also consider it's own population as a threat, recording everything it communicates. Just because it doesn't do the same mistakes as another countries doesn't mean it's doing things right. You would be living in China, you would rationalize what the state does, just like you do because you are in the US. I could do the same speech about France, my own country. Education first goal is to avoid repeating mistakes, but it works only if you can recognize how much mess we have done, or are currently doing.

burger_moon 8y ago
> despite the fact no country has attacked it for centuries. It's odd how you say this but then also write about WWII and japan later on. Also I think you're making an arguement based on fallicies, the person you are responding to is referencing things happening currently. You are referencing things that happened in previous generations, aside from the first point which is valid though certainly a bit odd to compare to organ harvesting. Perhaps a better comparison would be to China's treatment of Tibetans and the US prison population. I'm not sure. I don't really care either way, just pointing out how stupid and pointless both of your arguments are.
- sametmax 8y ago
  Why do mean you are no longer in irak or that the nsa is no longer spying on the people it's supposed to protect ? Beside, japan never attacked the us soil. I'm underlying all this because i want to point out the us is a very agressive country with an history of violence internally and externally. That's not to deny the positive things in america nor the good that it did for the world or the comfort and freedom a lot of it's population enjoy. It's just that tye later should not make you forget the former. If you can't see both, you are blind of one eye.
csomar 8y ago
I have found that most US people are brain washed by their government. It is something that looked to me quite familiar to North Korea but worked on a different way. People in North Korea/China are brain washed by censorship. People in the US are brain washed by bombardment of information. This makes the US a credible "free" country while it can control the people. So it can say "but hey you can say anything you want here". Well, you can. But it is worthless if nobody is listening. The US has figured out that the censorship system is weak. If someone tries to funnel information, your system collapses. The freedom system is strong, because in order to survive your bombardment of information has to be stronger than anyone else. So it is a superior system immune to enemy attacks as long as you can keep pace. Russia has figured that and is actively trying to move opinions using armies of online guerillas. They are basically bombarding information with their writing on different online forums.
- lajhsdfkl 8y ago
  Generally I have found that people who compare the US with dictatorships such as China and Russia and conflate the actions of the two have been A. brainwashed by decades of anti-US propaganda (the source of which is generally Russia or the Soviet Union) B. Paid Russian/Chinese shills
  - sametmax 8y ago
    We don't say they are equals. We say that america has done and is doing terrible things as well. But i can play your game too. Look : IN my experience, people that have your opinion are generally : - brain washed by decades of pro us propaganda. - paid by the nsa / gun industry shills
    - lajhsdfkl 8y ago
      >But i can play your game too. Look : Why don't you try taking my comment in the context of the entire thread and practicing a little critical thinking? You are not playing my game and your comment is a rehash of the parent post. Congrats. Also great job capitalizing "IN" to emphasize it.
themihai 8y ago
US it's not jailing its own people for holding beliefs the government doesn't like. If China is doing that to its own citizens, what should other countries expect from China? US has its own issues but as long the people are free to talk about them and hold FREE elections I'm sure they can/will find solutions. Do you fancy a ruler for life? Go to China or other such countries that I won't name! Live a life ruled by people you can't even speak bad about even if they make your life miserable.
- sametmax 8y ago
  Again, not saying they are equal. But just because the guy next door has cancer doesn't mean it's worth a party to have malaria.
Latteland 8y ago
Your comments are egregiously wrong about no one attacking the us for centuries. Japan pushed the US into WW2 with the Pearl Harbor attack, among many other attacks. Yes, the US did some attacking, notably invading Iraq, but only twice! Afghanistan attacked us, basically, on 9/11/2001. We were all but openly at war with Germany. How can you say no one attacked us for centuries? How can you get this sooo wrong? And no one should dispute that the us has way too large a prison population, one of the sad ways we are superlative.
- sametmax 8y ago
  First, pearl arbor was during a war that was running for 5 years aready. It's not like japan took the agressive initiative here. And that's not an attack of america in general. Have you seen any japan plane bombing the us cost ? Secondly, only twice ? What kind of argument is that ? And you went to war on vietnam. And afghanistan. You've been at war non stop after 1945. Then you talk about nine eleven, which is a terorist act, not another country attacking. Juste an isolated act, and as usual, the us over reacted. Other countries in the world are targets of terrorist attacks too. Do you thing we go wiping out a country where the bad guys are hidding because of it ? Just the fact you are justifiying the war monger attitude like it's a casual brunch is scary to me. But it also makes my point about america vs china. China is terrible. But america is a bully in this world.
  - Latteland 8y ago
    I was being sarcastic when I said the us attacked "only" twice. Iraq 2 especially was a massive and horrible mistake, millions of people were affected, who knows many died, how many lives were ruined. Japan did take the aggressive initiative. Hawaii was part of the US of course, although it was a territory. Late in the war Japan did shell the west coast from a submarine [1]. Japan didn't have to attack the US. I agree that the US is a bully. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Ellwood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Ellwood

burger_moon 8y ago

> despite the fact no country has attacked it for centuries. It's odd how you say this but then also write about WWII and japan later on. Also I think you're making an arguement based on fallicies, the person you are responding to is referencing things happening currently. You are referencing things that happened in previous generations, aside from the first point which is valid though certainly a bit odd to compare to organ harvesting. Perhaps a better comparison would be to China's treatment of Tibetans and the US prison population. I'm not sure. I don't really care either way, just pointing out how stupid and pointless both of your arguments are.

sametmax 8y ago
Why do mean you are no longer in irak or that the nsa is no longer spying on the people it's supposed to protect ? Beside, japan never attacked the us soil. I'm underlying all this because i want to point out the us is a very agressive country with an history of violence internally and externally. That's not to deny the positive things in america nor the good that it did for the world or the comfort and freedom a lot of it's population enjoy. It's just that tye later should not make you forget the former. If you can't see both, you are blind of one eye.

csomar 8y ago

I have found that most US people are brain washed by their government. It is something that looked to me quite familiar to North Korea but worked on a different way. People in North Korea/China are brain washed by censorship. People in the US are brain washed by bombardment of information. This makes the US a credible "free" country while it can control the people. So it can say "but hey you can say anything you want here". Well, you can. But it is worthless if nobody is listening. The US has figured out that the censorship system is weak. If someone tries to funnel information, your system collapses. The freedom system is strong, because in order to survive your bombardment of information has to be stronger than anyone else. So it is a superior system immune to enemy attacks as long as you can keep pace. Russia has figured that and is actively trying to move opinions using armies of online guerillas. They are basically bombarding information with their writing on different online forums.

lajhsdfkl 8y ago
Generally I have found that people who compare the US with dictatorships such as China and Russia and conflate the actions of the two have been A. brainwashed by decades of anti-US propaganda (the source of which is generally Russia or the Soviet Union) B. Paid Russian/Chinese shills
- sametmax 8y ago
  We don't say they are equals. We say that america has done and is doing terrible things as well. But i can play your game too. Look : IN my experience, people that have your opinion are generally : - brain washed by decades of pro us propaganda. - paid by the nsa / gun industry shills
  - lajhsdfkl 8y ago
    >But i can play your game too. Look : Why don't you try taking my comment in the context of the entire thread and practicing a little critical thinking? You are not playing my game and your comment is a rehash of the parent post. Congrats. Also great job capitalizing "IN" to emphasize it.

themihai 8y ago

US it's not jailing its own people for holding beliefs the government doesn't like. If China is doing that to its own citizens, what should other countries expect from China? US has its own issues but as long the people are free to talk about them and hold FREE elections I'm sure they can/will find solutions. Do you fancy a ruler for life? Go to China or other such countries that I won't name! Live a life ruled by people you can't even speak bad about even if they make your life miserable.

sametmax 8y ago
Again, not saying they are equal. But just because the guy next door has cancer doesn't mean it's worth a party to have malaria.

Latteland 8y ago

Your comments are egregiously wrong about no one attacking the us for centuries. Japan pushed the US into WW2 with the Pearl Harbor attack, among many other attacks. Yes, the US did some attacking, notably invading Iraq, but only twice! Afghanistan attacked us, basically, on 9/11/2001. We were all but openly at war with Germany. How can you say no one attacked us for centuries? How can you get this sooo wrong? And no one should dispute that the us has way too large a prison population, one of the sad ways we are superlative.

sametmax 8y ago
First, pearl arbor was during a war that was running for 5 years aready. It's not like japan took the agressive initiative here. And that's not an attack of america in general. Have you seen any japan plane bombing the us cost ? Secondly, only twice ? What kind of argument is that ? And you went to war on vietnam. And afghanistan. You've been at war non stop after 1945. Then you talk about nine eleven, which is a terorist act, not another country attacking. Juste an isolated act, and as usual, the us over reacted. Other countries in the world are targets of terrorist attacks too. Do you thing we go wiping out a country where the bad guys are hidding because of it ? Just the fact you are justifiying the war monger attitude like it's a casual brunch is scary to me. But it also makes my point about america vs china. China is terrible. But america is a bully in this world.
- Latteland 8y ago
  I was being sarcastic when I said the us attacked "only" twice. Iraq 2 especially was a massive and horrible mistake, millions of people were affected, who knows many died, how many lives were ruined. Japan did take the aggressive initiative. Hawaii was part of the US of course, although it was a territory. Late in the war Japan did shell the west coast from a submarine [1]. Japan didn't have to attack the US. I agree that the US is a bully. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Ellwood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Ellwood