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That's today's shows in general. Lots of build up to something the writers either haven't an idea how to resolve yet or just over hyped. As photography and CGI

That's today's shows in general. Lots of build up to something the writers either haven't an idea how to resolve yet or just over hyped. As photography and CGI improved, writing went down the toilet. Mainly because it's not necessary to make money. Most viewers are happy enough for bad plots, so-so acting, dubious congruency and limited dialogs as long as it's visually entertaining. As usual, the wider your audience, the duller your product has to become to accommodate everyone. The worst is definitely dubbing. In France you can clearly see that around 2000, producers gave up any effort on looking for decent translator and voice actors. The voices are always the same from one movie to another, the lips don't match, the jokes are lost. When I watch the 5th element or the naked gun however, I'm amazed at the fantastic work they did to translate the spirit of the lines so beautifully. Still, sometimes on netflix you got some very nice surprises, provided you watch it in orginal version only. "The good place" and "Dirk gently" really made my day.

WalterBright 8y ago
I've been watching "Babylon Berlin" on Netflix which is pretty good. But I was annoyed at the dubbing, it just felt out of place. I finally found a switch to switch to the German soundtrack with English subtitles. I'm much happier with that. I wonder why each scene is not just shot twice, once with the German dialog and once with English. It would work much better than dubbing.
- sametmax 8y ago
  Because that's super expensive. Just bless netflix for always providinh original version and subtitles.
  - WalterBright 8y ago
    I don't see why. Multiple takes are often done anyway. The setting is all there, the actors in place, the lighting - just do another take. It doesn't have to be done for all the scenes. I also wonder why the original actors didn't do the dub voices.
    - nighthawk1 8y ago
      If you ever did acting before you would understand how difficult it is to get a scene just right and how misguided your statement is.
      - WalterBright 8y ago
        Nope, I've never done any acting. But Director Clint Eastwood has a reputation for "one take" and seems to disagree with you: "Everybody's heard those nightmare stories of somebody doing a take 20, 30, 40 times. Other than obvious errors like forgetting a line, often I can't see any difference between take one and take 20." https://www.dga.org/Craft/DGAQ/All-Articles/0309-Sept-2003/Clint-Eastwood.aspx https://www.dga.org/Craft/DGAQ/All-Articles/0309-Sept-2003/C...
        p49k 8y ago
        That’s great that Clint Eastwood personally prefers that style, but that doesn’t make it universally true nor does it mean that other directors would have the same results with one take. The negative effects of stifling a director by placing this artificial constraint would probably counteract any positives of having two versions.
        nighthawk1 8y ago
        Agreed. All the directors I have worked with have required multiple takes for certain scenes. The cost of an additional take is small and the reward of a better shot greatly outweighs that cost.
        WalterBright 8y ago
        > The cost of an additional take is small Exactly my point! > the reward of a better shot greatly outweighs that cost My point, too, the "better shot" being the improvement of the lips and voice matching the movement and action. Consider that the English language market is most of the world.
- greedo 8y ago
  It's not just a matter of shooting it 2x. It's a matter of getting the scene right the second time. Each final shot that makes it in has many that don't. In contrast, dubbing is relatively cheap.
- paholg 8y ago
  > I wonder why each scene is not just shot twice, once with the German dialog and once with English. Because this would require an exclusively bilingual cast, dialog that works equally well in both languages, and would drastically increase the production cost.
  - WalterBright 8y ago
    > an exclusively bilingual cast, Not really. First off, most Germans seem to know English passably well. Even if one doesn't know English well, one can still memorize/recite dialog. There isn't that much dialog in a show. And lastly, one can always dub the ones who can't do it, as a last resort. > dialog that works equally well in both languages, A requirement anyway if it is being dubbed. > and would drastically increase the production cost Increase it, sure, not so sure about drastically. Why spend a lot of money on the production (as is obvious in Babylon Berlin) only to make it sound crappy to the biggest market (English speaking)? An English soundtrack makes it accessible to most of the world.

WalterBright 8y ago

I've been watching "Babylon Berlin" on Netflix which is pretty good. But I was annoyed at the dubbing, it just felt out of place. I finally found a switch to switch to the German soundtrack with English subtitles. I'm much happier with that. I wonder why each scene is not just shot twice, once with the German dialog and once with English. It would work much better than dubbing.

sametmax 8y ago
Because that's super expensive. Just bless netflix for always providinh original version and subtitles.
- WalterBright 8y ago
  I don't see why. Multiple takes are often done anyway. The setting is all there, the actors in place, the lighting - just do another take. It doesn't have to be done for all the scenes. I also wonder why the original actors didn't do the dub voices.
  - nighthawk1 8y ago
    If you ever did acting before you would understand how difficult it is to get a scene just right and how misguided your statement is.
    - WalterBright 8y ago
      Nope, I've never done any acting. But Director Clint Eastwood has a reputation for "one take" and seems to disagree with you: "Everybody's heard those nightmare stories of somebody doing a take 20, 30, 40 times. Other than obvious errors like forgetting a line, often I can't see any difference between take one and take 20." https://www.dga.org/Craft/DGAQ/All-Articles/0309-Sept-2003/Clint-Eastwood.aspx https://www.dga.org/Craft/DGAQ/All-Articles/0309-Sept-2003/C...
      - p49k 8y ago
        That’s great that Clint Eastwood personally prefers that style, but that doesn’t make it universally true nor does it mean that other directors would have the same results with one take. The negative effects of stifling a director by placing this artificial constraint would probably counteract any positives of having two versions.
        nighthawk1 8y ago
        Agreed. All the directors I have worked with have required multiple takes for certain scenes. The cost of an additional take is small and the reward of a better shot greatly outweighs that cost.
        WalterBright 8y ago
        > The cost of an additional take is small Exactly my point! > the reward of a better shot greatly outweighs that cost My point, too, the "better shot" being the improvement of the lips and voice matching the movement and action. Consider that the English language market is most of the world.
greedo 8y ago
It's not just a matter of shooting it 2x. It's a matter of getting the scene right the second time. Each final shot that makes it in has many that don't. In contrast, dubbing is relatively cheap.
paholg 8y ago
> I wonder why each scene is not just shot twice, once with the German dialog and once with English. Because this would require an exclusively bilingual cast, dialog that works equally well in both languages, and would drastically increase the production cost.
- WalterBright 8y ago
  > an exclusively bilingual cast, Not really. First off, most Germans seem to know English passably well. Even if one doesn't know English well, one can still memorize/recite dialog. There isn't that much dialog in a show. And lastly, one can always dub the ones who can't do it, as a last resort. > dialog that works equally well in both languages, A requirement anyway if it is being dubbed. > and would drastically increase the production cost Increase it, sure, not so sure about drastically. Why spend a lot of money on the production (as is obvious in Babylon Berlin) only to make it sound crappy to the biggest market (English speaking)? An English soundtrack makes it accessible to most of the world.