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anyone who thinks this is a good/bad thing for a founder to do? From what I know so far - by reading, including scientific works, and studying biochemistry, it

by Evgeny 16y ago

anyone who thinks this is a good/bad thing for a founder to do? From what I know so far - by reading, including scientific works, and studying biochemistry, it appears that the humans evolved to obtain at least some of their diet from animal sources (Vitamin B12, Omega 3 fatty acids come to mind). So I would consider this sort of culture as destructive for my health, even if it is only mildly destructive and the results may not be obvious for years and sometimes decades ... It is easy to find nations/tribes in history who enjoyed excellent health on a variety of diets, but not so easy to find ones who did that on a strictly vegetarian diet.

cies 16y ago
it is an ethical consideration, not a dieatary one. im not trying to enforce a diet unto people --an employee is free to use his/her salary-- it is merely an ethical guideline for the company: abstain from killing sentient life.
code_duck 16y ago
This just isn't the case these days. Who cares about 'tribes'? We understand nutrition, we have access to a complete and vast range of fruits, vegetables, grains and processed foods year long, unlike any other group of humans in history. Take a vitamin for b12 and there is NOTHING a vegan/vegetarian diet does not provide. It is vastly healthier than the average person's diet, really.
- Evgeny 16y ago
  We understand nutrition No, we can not say that. Nutritionists can not even decide on the reasons for the obesity - some say people just eat too much and exercise too little (aka "calories in, calories out"), others point to more complex reasons. Not to speak about more complex issues. It is vastly healthier than the average person's diet, really To that I agree. But "better than X" still does not mean optimal.
  - code_duck 16y ago
    Of course, but we have a much clearer idea of what sustains health than ancient civilizations. I agree, a variety is your best bet. But if better than X is not optimal, where X is the standard diet and the varied vegetarian diet is the alternative - what's the other option?
    - Evgeny 16y ago
      Of course, but we have a much clearer idea of what sustains health than ancient civilizations. I'm not so sure about that. I usually offer two of my favourite links that describe well how the human health deteriorated when agriculture became widely adopted. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/paleopathology-at-origins-of.html http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/paleopathology... http://www.environnement.ens.fr/perso/claessen/agriculture/mistake_jared_diamond.pdf http://www.environnement.ens.fr/perso/claessen/agriculture/m... I think that paleolithic diet is more natural - one can eat pretty much all fruits and vegetable but does not have to avoid animal products. The idea is to avoid 'neolithic' foods - those that came into human diet less than 10-20K years ago: processed foods, sugars, grains etc.

by Evgeny 16y ago

cies 16y ago

it is an ethical consideration, not a dieatary one. im not trying to enforce a diet unto people --an employee is free to use his/her salary-- it is merely an ethical guideline for the company: abstain from killing sentient life.

code_duck 16y ago

This just isn't the case these days. Who cares about 'tribes'? We understand nutrition, we have access to a complete and vast range of fruits, vegetables, grains and processed foods year long, unlike any other group of humans in history. Take a vitamin for b12 and there is NOTHING a vegan/vegetarian diet does not provide. It is vastly healthier than the average person's diet, really.

Evgeny 16y ago
We understand nutrition No, we can not say that. Nutritionists can not even decide on the reasons for the obesity - some say people just eat too much and exercise too little (aka "calories in, calories out"), others point to more complex reasons. Not to speak about more complex issues. It is vastly healthier than the average person's diet, really To that I agree. But "better than X" still does not mean optimal.
- code_duck 16y ago
  Of course, but we have a much clearer idea of what sustains health than ancient civilizations. I agree, a variety is your best bet. But if better than X is not optimal, where X is the standard diet and the varied vegetarian diet is the alternative - what's the other option?
  - Evgeny 16y ago
    Of course, but we have a much clearer idea of what sustains health than ancient civilizations. I'm not so sure about that. I usually offer two of my favourite links that describe well how the human health deteriorated when agriculture became widely adopted. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/paleopathology-at-origins-of.html http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/paleopathology... http://www.environnement.ens.fr/perso/claessen/agriculture/mistake_jared_diamond.pdf http://www.environnement.ens.fr/perso/claessen/agriculture/m... I think that paleolithic diet is more natural - one can eat pretty much all fruits and vegetable but does not have to avoid animal products. The idea is to avoid 'neolithic' foods - those that came into human diet less than 10-20K years ago: processed foods, sugars, grains etc.