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If you're a vim user on a mac, try ViKing. It lets you use vi-like navigation throughout OSX. It's still in beta and I would love some feedback. http://vikin

If you're a vim user on a mac, try ViKing. It lets you use vi-like navigation throughout OSX. It's still in beta and I would love some feedback. http://vikingapp.com http://vikingapp.com @vikingapp

SkyMarshal 16y ago
This is what I love most about Vim, it's becoming a universal, mouseless interface to just about everything you use a computer for, except maybe games. So far there's a Vim plugin or mod for: Emacs, Firefox, Chrome/Chromium, Opera, Eclipse, and now even OS X. What others are there?
stevelosh 16y ago
I've given you feedback before, but will repost it here for other HN readers. The main reason I don't use ViKing is that the hotkeys all end up shadowing something useful or being very awkward. If I choose Ctrl I shadow Ctrl+H. If I choose Cmd I shadow lots of stuff, like Cmd+L in a browser. If I choose Alt (ViKing doesn't do that right now, but I'll assume it could be added) it's quite awkward (unless I remap capslock to Alt, but I've already got capslock-as-Ctrl in my fingers). I don't have a solution to this, but would desperately love to find one.
- kevincolyar 16y ago
  Sorry I haven't fixed this yet. I've been swamped with other projects. I was thinking about it tonight... what do you think of some kind of double-tap combo that would enable/disable ViKing functionality, like ctrl-ctrl?
steve19 16y ago
The kevincolyar account does nothing but spam HN with links to his application. I am sick of seeing him post spam each time a VIM article hits the homepage.
- stevelosh 16y ago
  I'm the author and submitter of the post and for what it's worth I don't mind his comment at all. It's relevant because OS X Vim users would probably like to use Vim movement everywhere. I know I would. It's certainly more relevant than the "use emacs lol" comments that inevitably show up.
  - mikecaron 16y ago
    Yeah, the whole vim/emacs war is so 1995.
- kevincolyar 16y ago
  I'm just trying to get what I think is a useful application into the hands of the people who would find it useful. If you find that irritating, just keep scrolling by.
  - blasdel 16y ago
    Try contributing to discussions instead of copy-pasting the same promotional tagline. You could also make some effort to actually understand vi — your app doesn't take you out of insert mode! Using hjkl and ypu does not somehow make anything vi-like when there's no command mode, no compositionality, and a hotkey that breaks everything else. Seriously, chording‽ If you're going to chord for movement just use the built-in emacs bindings! Instead of ^hjkl it's ^bnpf, if you really want to do something as inane as use modified letters as arrow keys. Why did you write your cargo-cult app at all? There's at least a half-dozen InputManagers that implement true vi command modes already, and while nobody actually uses them, at least their authors appear to have actually used a vi editor before!
    - kevincolyar 16y ago
      I'm sorry you don't find ViKing useful. It's not meant to replace vi, it's simply meant to be a tool that vi users might find useful. I know many who do. I assure you I do understand vi. I use it everyday. I've explored the idea of making ViKing modal but based on user feedback have decided not to go that route. I am aware of the InputManagers you mentioned but I believe I'm solving a different problem. Thank you for your feedback, though. I do appreciate it. God bless.

If you're a vim user on a mac, try ViKing. It lets you use vi-like navigation throughout OSX. It's still in beta and I would love some feedback. http://vikingapp.com http://vikingapp.com @vikingapp

SkyMarshal 16y ago

This is what I love most about Vim, it's becoming a universal, mouseless interface to just about everything you use a computer for, except maybe games. So far there's a Vim plugin or mod for: Emacs, Firefox, Chrome/Chromium, Opera, Eclipse, and now even OS X. What others are there?

stevelosh 16y ago

I've given you feedback before, but will repost it here for other HN readers. The main reason I don't use ViKing is that the hotkeys all end up shadowing something useful or being very awkward. If I choose Ctrl I shadow Ctrl+H. If I choose Cmd I shadow lots of stuff, like Cmd+L in a browser. If I choose Alt (ViKing doesn't do that right now, but I'll assume it could be added) it's quite awkward (unless I remap capslock to Alt, but I've already got capslock-as-Ctrl in my fingers). I don't have a solution to this, but would desperately love to find one.

kevincolyar 16y ago
Sorry I haven't fixed this yet. I've been swamped with other projects. I was thinking about it tonight... what do you think of some kind of double-tap combo that would enable/disable ViKing functionality, like ctrl-ctrl?

steve19 16y ago

The kevincolyar account does nothing but spam HN with links to his application. I am sick of seeing him post spam each time a VIM article hits the homepage.

stevelosh 16y ago
I'm the author and submitter of the post and for what it's worth I don't mind his comment at all. It's relevant because OS X Vim users would probably like to use Vim movement everywhere. I know I would. It's certainly more relevant than the "use emacs lol" comments that inevitably show up.
- mikecaron 16y ago
  Yeah, the whole vim/emacs war is so 1995.
kevincolyar 16y ago
I'm just trying to get what I think is a useful application into the hands of the people who would find it useful. If you find that irritating, just keep scrolling by.
- blasdel 16y ago
  Try contributing to discussions instead of copy-pasting the same promotional tagline. You could also make some effort to actually understand vi — your app doesn't take you out of insert mode! Using hjkl and ypu does not somehow make anything vi-like when there's no command mode, no compositionality, and a hotkey that breaks everything else. Seriously, chording‽ If you're going to chord for movement just use the built-in emacs bindings! Instead of ^hjkl it's ^bnpf, if you really want to do something as inane as use modified letters as arrow keys. Why did you write your cargo-cult app at all? There's at least a half-dozen InputManagers that implement true vi command modes already, and while nobody actually uses them, at least their authors appear to have actually used a vi editor before!
  - kevincolyar 16y ago
    I'm sorry you don't find ViKing useful. It's not meant to replace vi, it's simply meant to be a tool that vi users might find useful. I know many who do. I assure you I do understand vi. I use it everyday. I've explored the idea of making ViKing modal but based on user feedback have decided not to go that route. I am aware of the InputManagers you mentioned but I believe I'm solving a different problem. Thank you for your feedback, though. I do appreciate it. God bless.