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I've never understood how some physicists disregard philosophy and do it with a straight face. How else are supposed to understand and make meaning of their fin
by GW150914 8y ago
I've never understood how some physicists disregard philosophy and do it with a straight face. How else are supposed to understand and make meaning of their findings?
What does this even mean? Why is it the job of physicists to derive whatever you consider to be “meaning” beyond the physical implications of results? You’re free to play in the gaps left by physics all you like, but don’t drag physics into it. The nice thing about empirical results is the freedom from needing meaning or interpretation. What an attempt to impose philosophy on physics gets you is a genius like Einstein getting stuck on QM.
Philosophy is an obstacle to good physics, because it’s a subjective exercise about human expectations. Physics is about testing how nature works, even when it defies all expectations and our ability to interpret it. Philosophy was an amazing field, but over the last few centuries it’s been gutted by science, and it’s a shell now.
Philosophy, like all other studies, aims primarily at knowledge. The knowledge it aims at is the kind of knowledge which gives unity and system to the body of the sciences, and the kind which results from a critical examination of the grounds of our convictions, prejudices, and beliefs. But it cannot be maintained that philosophy has had any very great measure of success in its attempts to provide definite answers to its questions. If you ask a mathematician, a mineralogist, a historian, or any other man of learning, what definite body of truths has been ascertained by his science, his answer will last as long as you are willing to listen. But if you put the same question to a philosopher, he will, if he is candid, have to confess that his study has not achieved positive results such as have been achieved by other sciences. It is true that this is partly accounted for by the fact that, as soon as definite knowledge concerning any subject becomes possible, this subject ceases to be called philosophy, and becomes a separate science. The whole study of the heavens, which now belongs to astronomy, was once included in philosophy; Newton's great work was called 'the mathematical principles of natural philosophy'. Similarly, the study of the human mind, which was a part of philosophy, has now been separated from philosophy and has become the science of psychology. Thus, to a great extent, the uncertainty of philosophy is more apparent than real: those questions which are already capable of definite answers are placed in the sciences, while those only to which, at present, no definite answer can be given, remain to form the residue which is called philosophy. -Bertrand Russell
- dcow 8y agoAnd what about all the physicists who disagree with a probabalistic theory of subatomic particle interactions? What if QM is not capable of progressing because it's not correct, only convenient? You can't ding Einstein for failing to progress QM and at the same time also reject any need to provide anything more than empirical results. That's infinitely hypocritical--but I don't really blame you since all you know is how to calculate. This is the crux of the problem. In your eyes (and those of anyone who rejects philosophy) a scientist literally just collects data and issues a yes or no analysis of whether it fits a model. But they have no agency to progress their field beyond confirming the theories that have already been established. What if every time we fired a single photon through a pair of slits an undetectable leprechaun appeared and deflected the photon giving rise to the beloved interference pattern we observe? You'll say that's preposterous and, since the leprechaun is undetectable, resort to Occam's Razor to explain why my theory is not to be taken seriously. But you just did philosophy. Go read Thomas Kuhn. Science does not replace philosophy. They work together in a cyclic tension to progress our understanding of the universe we inhabit. Philosophy asks the questions that science attempts to answer. Science usually does a pretty good job but always gets stuck until someone turns around and says, "wait, we were thinking about this part wrong", and asks a new set of questions.