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> but do we really care if an app is 50MB, in 2018? > my laptop has 1TB HDD + 256GB SSD, and 24GB of RAM. I can definitely spare 50MB of disk space and 200MB o

> but do we really care if an app is 50MB, in 2018? > my laptop has 1TB HDD + 256GB SSD, and 24GB of RAM. I can definitely spare 50MB of disk space and 200MB of RAM. How much cache does your laptop have? All this RAM usage completely thrashes any caches anywhere. Page caches, disk cache, etc. Slack alone takes a heavy toll on my laptop. Combine it with any heavy website on FF (which has gone insane on mac since Quantum) and the laptop is ready for take-off. Not to mention that we are slowly putting a ±$1k price tag on "comfortable computing". People who spend <$300 on a computer are absolutely screwed, even though they have orders of magnitude more power than a device which took humanity to the moon (to use a hackneyed comparison). I find using developer computers as a measuring stick a painfully elitist perspective. In an ideal world, software developers would be banned from spending more than $250 on hardware. Ever. [for their current workstation]. That would do more to change the face of software than any processor improvement ever did. > Many times it's either an Electron app or no app at all, as many companies wouldn't bother supporting Linux if Electron didn't make it so cheap and easy. I agree with this. However, focusing on first order consequences can be deceptive. Perhaps it is precisely the existence of Electron that suffocates any budding competition for more performant but slightly more involved alternatives?

RaleyField 8y ago
Make WPF-like replacement that works on Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, iOS and their browsers and we will all switch. You are demanding that we all become mega crops with N teams duplicating the same code in with native frameworks and that just won't happen because a) we don't have cash laying around b) users don't know the difference between 10 MB app and 200 MB app, only us do. > How much cache does your laptop have? Enough. How much bandwidth does my ram have? Enough that it can fill cpu caches in I don't notice time. I still have 12 year old Conroe with spinning hard disk laying around and it never had any problem running VS Code so there's that data point.
- snuxoll 8y ago
  > Make WPF-like replacement that works on Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, iOS and their browsers and we will all switch. Literally Xamarin.Forms, though without the Linux support still (and browsers, of course, because native apps aren’t web apps).

RaleyField 8y ago

Make WPF-like replacement that works on Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, iOS and their browsers and we will all switch. You are demanding that we all become mega crops with N teams duplicating the same code in with native frameworks and that just won't happen because a) we don't have cash laying around b) users don't know the difference between 10 MB app and 200 MB app, only us do. > How much cache does your laptop have? Enough. How much bandwidth does my ram have? Enough that it can fill cpu caches in I don't notice time. I still have 12 year old Conroe with spinning hard disk laying around and it never had any problem running VS Code so there's that data point.

snuxoll 8y ago
> Make WPF-like replacement that works on Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, iOS and their browsers and we will all switch. Literally Xamarin.Forms, though without the Linux support still (and browsers, of course, because native apps aren’t web apps).