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It's an invalid argument only after you twisted it very severely to fit your preconceptions. I see a lot of carefully selected random out of context quotes.

acqq 8y ago
"carefully selected random out of context quotes" is exactly what the "smackdown" makes: its avoid mentioning the truth: - the clearly written sentence - clearly written statement by Galileo - the fact that the rotation of the Earth around the Sun was obvious to anybody who actually "did the math" and compared with the observations, even at that time - the fact of how long both Galileo's and Copernicus' books remained banned by the Church afterwards and instead claims that "missing parallax observation" made right for the Church to claim "heresy." No it doesn't and that particular detail was never relevant. Even now we don't know what's beyond the limit of our observations, but because of that we don't punish the scientists who make the best models for what we actually observe. So yes, the Church was very wrong, and there are very clear written documents. Including that both Galileo's and Copernicus books remained on the Church's list of banned books for the next centuries! The guy writing "smackdown" seems to be in a search for anything to prove actions of the Church "acceptable" by intentionally avoiding the major facts: yes the Church considered exactly even teaching or writing about the heliocentric world a real heresy. And it acted according to that not only in one point of time but through the centuries, obviously not because "Galileo had a bad personal problem with the Pope of that moment" or anything else that the "smackdown" guy wants to pass as a "good reason". The "smackdown" guy should be smackdowned and recognized as effectively a liar. I know a lot of people "want to believe him" and that link to his page is resent around, but it doesn't make it true.
- ItsMe000001 8y ago
  You are extremely manipulative and selective and use a lot of brute force to come to the conclusions you like to have from the start.

acqq 8y ago

"carefully selected random out of context quotes" is exactly what the "smackdown" makes: its avoid mentioning the truth: - the clearly written sentence - clearly written statement by Galileo - the fact that the rotation of the Earth around the Sun was obvious to anybody who actually "did the math" and compared with the observations, even at that time - the fact of how long both Galileo's and Copernicus' books remained banned by the Church afterwards and instead claims that "missing parallax observation" made right for the Church to claim "heresy." No it doesn't and that particular detail was never relevant. Even now we don't know what's beyond the limit of our observations, but because of that we don't punish the scientists who make the best models for what we actually observe. So yes, the Church was very wrong, and there are very clear written documents. Including that both Galileo's and Copernicus books remained on the Church's list of banned books for the next centuries! The guy writing "smackdown" seems to be in a search for anything to prove actions of the Church "acceptable" by intentionally avoiding the major facts: yes the Church considered exactly even teaching or writing about the heliocentric world a real heresy. And it acted according to that not only in one point of time but through the centuries, obviously not because "Galileo had a bad personal problem with the Pope of that moment" or anything else that the "smackdown" guy wants to pass as a "good reason". The "smackdown" guy should be smackdowned and recognized as effectively a liar. I know a lot of people "want to believe him" and that link to his page is resent around, but it doesn't make it true.

ItsMe000001 8y ago
You are extremely manipulative and selective and use a lot of brute force to come to the conclusions you like to have from the start.