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Ironically Bill and Melinda Gates turned into sort of worldwide heroes, targeting the big difficult unprofitable problems with the most social impact

by ENGNR 8y ago

zeofig 8y ago
I disagree, and also Gates ruined computers for everyone forever.
- cptskippy 8y ago
  You won me over with that compelling argument.
- mirimir 8y ago
  How so? Microsoft let the hardware go open-source and generic. And that was an incredible win. Conversely, Apple and Google ruined handheld computers (which we now call smartphones) forever. So far, anyway. They're fundamentally unsecurable. It's at least nontrivial, and perhaps impossible, to prevent surveillance and tracking.
- sjwright 8y ago
  I disagree. If Windows were a lot better, the open source revolution might not have gained quite so much momentum. If IE was a lot better—or rather if they didn't let it stagnate—the very concept of installing alternative browsers might never have entered the mainstream zeitgeist.
  - beenBoutIT 8y ago
    Same thing is true for Apple's OS, which for many serves as an expensive several year pit-stop between abandoning Microsoft and embracing open source.
_emacsomancer_ 8y ago
Or having enough money to make unprofitable problems profitable for them (e.g. Step 1 invest in Monsanto; Step 2 push Monsanto in developing companies through 'philanthropy').
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
  I'm not a fan of Gates, but it's very unfair to say such things without providing a reliable source.
  - _emacsomancer_ 8y ago
    Why is the Gates foundation investing in GM giant Monsanto? - https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/sep/29/gates-foundation-gm-monsanto https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matte... Are Gates and Rockefeller using their influence to set agenda in poor states? - https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/15/bill-gates-rockefeller-influence-agenda-poor-nations-big-pharma-gm-hunger https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/15/b... Monsanto, US, & Gates Foundation pressure Kenya to reverse GMO ban - https://www.rt.com/news/328014-kenya-gmo-us-gates-monsanto/ https://www.rt.com/news/328014-kenya-gmo-us-gates-monsanto/ Gates Foundation is spearheading the neoliberal plunder of African agriculture - https://theecologist.org/2016/jan/21/gates-foundation-spearheading-neoliberal-plunder-african-agriculture https://theecologist.org/2016/jan/21/gates-foundation-spearh... (And there's lots of articles attacking from a more purely anti-GMO stance, which I don't find particularly helpful, as it's largely the politics/economics behind Monsanto that are the most disturbing.)
    - dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
      Having read these articles, it seems to me he's trying to follow the logic he knows. Hunger? Let's make a partnership with crop-related companies. Diseases? Let's talk to the big pharma. He's following the ways he understands. Not everybody has as much courage as the Indian government in that respect.
      - _emacsomancer_ 8y ago
        > he's trying to follow the logic he knows. Right - and that's the scary thing. We see what he did in the realm of computing --- now imagine the parallels in the agricultural infrastructure of countries across the world.
asinionio 8y ago
He's a hero to some people. I still hate his guts. And I give him almost no credit for giving some money now. He's giving away stolen money while living in the lap of luxury. Gates acted completely amorally for most of his life and now is simply buying his way into respect. I'm not a Christian, but I'm reminded of Luke 20:45-21:4. But his Foundation is well-run and effective. Maybe he was a net good for humanity. Probably not, though.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
  I see your point, but the guy seems to have a different set of values. When he was asking his marketing department to prepare a series of smear campaigns against Linux and Open Source, for example, I don't think he realized he was doing a wrong thing. In his mind, he was probably saving his company from competition, as he always did. Also, I think a great momentum of Linux in the late 90s was precisely because people hated Microsoft wholeheartedly, and that was one of the main reasons it didn't die as another toy project. So I'd say yes, a net good for humanity - not because but in spite of what he's done so far.
- _emacsomancer_ 8y ago
  There's plenty of criticism on his Foundation as well. Even if everything it does is good (on which, see above), there would certainly be questions about whether the money is being spent in the best way possible. Setting all of this aside, I think Gates would have to eradicate several horrible diseases just to break even karmically.
hodgesrm 8y ago
It's happened before. Andrew Carnegie gave away most of his fortune which was in its time as substantial as Gates' wealth. Also, Bill Gates' mom was into public service in big way, so there's some family history. [0] This sort of thing used to be fairly common in the American upper class. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Maxwell_Gates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Maxwell_Gates Edit: punctuation
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Ironically Bill and Melinda Gates turned into sort of worldwide heroes, targeting the big difficult unprofitable problems with the most social impact

by ENGNR 8y ago

Ironically Bill and Melinda Gates turned into sort of worldwide heroes, targeting the big difficult unprofitable problems with the most social impact

zeofig 8y ago

I disagree, and also Gates ruined computers for everyone forever.

cptskippy 8y ago
You won me over with that compelling argument.
mirimir 8y ago
How so? Microsoft let the hardware go open-source and generic. And that was an incredible win. Conversely, Apple and Google ruined handheld computers (which we now call smartphones) forever. So far, anyway. They're fundamentally unsecurable. It's at least nontrivial, and perhaps impossible, to prevent surveillance and tracking.
sjwright 8y ago
I disagree. If Windows were a lot better, the open source revolution might not have gained quite so much momentum. If IE was a lot better—or rather if they didn't let it stagnate—the very concept of installing alternative browsers might never have entered the mainstream zeitgeist.
- beenBoutIT 8y ago
  Same thing is true for Apple's OS, which for many serves as an expensive several year pit-stop between abandoning Microsoft and embracing open source.

_emacsomancer_ 8y ago

Or having enough money to make unprofitable problems profitable for them (e.g. Step 1 invest in Monsanto; Step 2 push Monsanto in developing companies through 'philanthropy').

dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
I'm not a fan of Gates, but it's very unfair to say such things without providing a reliable source.
- _emacsomancer_ 8y ago
  Why is the Gates foundation investing in GM giant Monsanto? - https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/sep/29/gates-foundation-gm-monsanto https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matte... Are Gates and Rockefeller using their influence to set agenda in poor states? - https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/15/bill-gates-rockefeller-influence-agenda-poor-nations-big-pharma-gm-hunger https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/15/b... Monsanto, US, & Gates Foundation pressure Kenya to reverse GMO ban - https://www.rt.com/news/328014-kenya-gmo-us-gates-monsanto/ https://www.rt.com/news/328014-kenya-gmo-us-gates-monsanto/ Gates Foundation is spearheading the neoliberal plunder of African agriculture - https://theecologist.org/2016/jan/21/gates-foundation-spearheading-neoliberal-plunder-african-agriculture https://theecologist.org/2016/jan/21/gates-foundation-spearh... (And there's lots of articles attacking from a more purely anti-GMO stance, which I don't find particularly helpful, as it's largely the politics/economics behind Monsanto that are the most disturbing.)
  - dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
    Having read these articles, it seems to me he's trying to follow the logic he knows. Hunger? Let's make a partnership with crop-related companies. Diseases? Let's talk to the big pharma. He's following the ways he understands. Not everybody has as much courage as the Indian government in that respect.
    - _emacsomancer_ 8y ago
      > he's trying to follow the logic he knows. Right - and that's the scary thing. We see what he did in the realm of computing --- now imagine the parallels in the agricultural infrastructure of countries across the world.

asinionio 8y ago

He's a hero to some people. I still hate his guts. And I give him almost no credit for giving some money now. He's giving away stolen money while living in the lap of luxury. Gates acted completely amorally for most of his life and now is simply buying his way into respect. I'm not a Christian, but I'm reminded of Luke 20:45-21:4. But his Foundation is well-run and effective. Maybe he was a net good for humanity. Probably not, though.

dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
I see your point, but the guy seems to have a different set of values. When he was asking his marketing department to prepare a series of smear campaigns against Linux and Open Source, for example, I don't think he realized he was doing a wrong thing. In his mind, he was probably saving his company from competition, as he always did. Also, I think a great momentum of Linux in the late 90s was precisely because people hated Microsoft wholeheartedly, and that was one of the main reasons it didn't die as another toy project. So I'd say yes, a net good for humanity - not because but in spite of what he's done so far.
_emacsomancer_ 8y ago
There's plenty of criticism on his Foundation as well. Even if everything it does is good (on which, see above), there would certainly be questions about whether the money is being spent in the best way possible. Setting all of this aside, I think Gates would have to eradicate several horrible diseases just to break even karmically.

hodgesrm 8y ago

It's happened before. Andrew Carnegie gave away most of his fortune which was in its time as substantial as Gates' wealth. Also, Bill Gates' mom was into public service in big way, so there's some family history. [0] This sort of thing used to be fairly common in the American upper class. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Maxwell_Gates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Maxwell_Gates Edit: punctuation

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