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> Also I find it quite telling that Lionsion still refuses to respond to any of my points. Ok, I'll bite. Here's my response: You need to go outside and take

> Also I find it quite telling that Lionsion still refuses to respond to any of my points. Ok, I'll bite. Here's my response: You need to go outside and take a walk, because your "points" have been off topic, literally paranoid, and bizarrely personal. You're accusing me of being an "agent provocateur" and either a Chinese or Russian troll. That's crazy talk and utter nonsense. Ignoring you isn't "telling," it's frustration and a lack of better options. The truth is I'm a guy who was frustrated by a thread yesterday that was totally ruined by people who derailed it, perhaps like the 50 Cent Party would. Just to make it super clear: I don't think it was disrupted by the actual 50 Cent Party, but by people who maybe should consider learning to not act like it. Edit: I apologize to everyone who reads this thread (or the dead comments below). In situations like this, the correct action is to ignore someone like my interlocutor, but that's difficult when he makes personal attacks. I should have held firm despite them.

jonathanyc 8y ago
Note that he has still refused to respond to any of my points (for example, that most of us can juggle multiple issues in our head at the same time) and instead is now resorting to personal attacks and avoiding anything of substance by claiming that he is "frustrated," which is the exact same tactic he used last time. I aim to leave my comments on this thread intact for the record, and I'm archiving this in case it proves relevant in the future. EDIT: We're starting to see the bizarre inconsistencies in his position rear their head as well. He writes in the exact same comment that > You're accusing me of being an "agent provocateur" and either a Chinese or Russian troll. That's crazy talk and utter nonsense. and then that > The truth is I'm a guy who was frustrated by a thread yesterday that was totally ruined by people who derailed it, perhaps like the 50 Cent Party would. What sort of bizarre hedging is saying that people are just acting "perhaps like" paid Chinese trolls? I am sorry if I have wasted others' time in reading these comments, but I am not exaggerating when I say that I think putting these things on the record is important for everyone.
- Lionsion 8y ago
  > What sort of bizarre hedging is saying that people are just acting "perhaps like" paid Chinese trolls? You need to re-read my comment, especially the sentence after the one you partially quoted. What I was getting at was that someone who inadvertently behaves like a propagandist should re-evaluate their behavior and modify it, because it's destructive (if it wasn't destructive, why would the propagandist do it?). For instance, someone pushing hyper-partisan memes on Facebook should stop because Russians agents literally do that same thing as a disruption tactic. > but I am not exaggerating when I say that I think putting these things on the record is important for everyone. I have nothing to hide: https://web.archive.org/web/20180518222349/https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17105115 https://web.archive.org/web/20180518222349/https://news.ycom... Anyway, you are not acting like a stable, sensible person. You're getting too worked up. Please, take a break. Do something relaxing or fun. This is not a productive derail that anyone else would benefit from.
  - jonathanyc 8y ago
    > You need to re-read my comment, especially the sentence after the one you partially quoted. You're not fooling anyone when you say that you're not accusing people of being propagandists, but rather that they're just "perhaps like" them. > Anyway, you are not acting like a stable, sensible person. You're getting too worked up. Says the guy whose two month old account has 75% of its comments about one topic, but nice try. I also wonder if you are subconsciously channeling some tactics from the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_... EDIT: And of course, recalling Cato, I will end by nothing that you still have not responded to anything I've said but rather have devolved to calling people who disagree with you crazy. Gee, it's almost like you're just trying to divide people instead of actually trying to have a good faith discussion.
  - dang 8y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Nationalistic flamewar and personal attacks are not allowed here. Please don't create accounts to do this with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html In case anyone is wondering: no, this is not because of your views. I don't know what they are and it doesn't matter, just as a fireman doesn't care what color a fire is.

jonathanyc 8y ago

Note that he has still refused to respond to any of my points (for example, that most of us can juggle multiple issues in our head at the same time) and instead is now resorting to personal attacks and avoiding anything of substance by claiming that he is "frustrated," which is the exact same tactic he used last time. I aim to leave my comments on this thread intact for the record, and I'm archiving this in case it proves relevant in the future. EDIT: We're starting to see the bizarre inconsistencies in his position rear their head as well. He writes in the exact same comment that > You're accusing me of being an "agent provocateur" and either a Chinese or Russian troll. That's crazy talk and utter nonsense. and then that > The truth is I'm a guy who was frustrated by a thread yesterday that was totally ruined by people who derailed it, perhaps like the 50 Cent Party would. What sort of bizarre hedging is saying that people are just acting "perhaps like" paid Chinese trolls? I am sorry if I have wasted others' time in reading these comments, but I am not exaggerating when I say that I think putting these things on the record is important for everyone.

Lionsion 8y ago
> What sort of bizarre hedging is saying that people are just acting "perhaps like" paid Chinese trolls? You need to re-read my comment, especially the sentence after the one you partially quoted. What I was getting at was that someone who inadvertently behaves like a propagandist should re-evaluate their behavior and modify it, because it's destructive (if it wasn't destructive, why would the propagandist do it?). For instance, someone pushing hyper-partisan memes on Facebook should stop because Russians agents literally do that same thing as a disruption tactic. > but I am not exaggerating when I say that I think putting these things on the record is important for everyone. I have nothing to hide: https://web.archive.org/web/20180518222349/https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17105115 https://web.archive.org/web/20180518222349/https://news.ycom... Anyway, you are not acting like a stable, sensible person. You're getting too worked up. Please, take a break. Do something relaxing or fun. This is not a productive derail that anyone else would benefit from.
- jonathanyc 8y ago
  > You need to re-read my comment, especially the sentence after the one you partially quoted. You're not fooling anyone when you say that you're not accusing people of being propagandists, but rather that they're just "perhaps like" them. > Anyway, you are not acting like a stable, sensible person. You're getting too worked up. Says the guy whose two month old account has 75% of its comments about one topic, but nice try. I also wonder if you are subconsciously channeling some tactics from the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_... EDIT: And of course, recalling Cato, I will end by nothing that you still have not responded to anything I've said but rather have devolved to calling people who disagree with you crazy. Gee, it's almost like you're just trying to divide people instead of actually trying to have a good faith discussion.
- dang 8y ago
  We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Nationalistic flamewar and personal attacks are not allowed here. Please don't create accounts to do this with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html In case anyone is wondering: no, this is not because of your views. I don't know what they are and it doesn't matter, just as a fireman doesn't care what color a fire is.