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You're literally trying to carry the same derail into a new thread where it's even less on-topic? Here, I made a new post for you for your derail: https://news

You're literally trying to carry the same derail into a new thread where it's even less on-topic? Here, I made a new post for you for your derail: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17105121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17105121. Please take it there.

jonathanyc 8y ago
Would you like to respond to my points, or are you going to use the same tactic you did last time and completely ignore what others write in order to push your own agenda? Why is it that your account is only 67 days old and >75% of your comments are about China? Do you even comment on normal Hacker News topics that aren't related to politics?
- Lionsion 8y ago
  > Would you like to respond to my points No. Please take your points to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17105121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17105121. > in order to push your own agenda? My agenda is to stay at least vaguely on-topic. > Why is it that your account only 67 days old yet >75% of your comments are about China? Do you even comment on normal Hacker News topics that aren't related to politics? Because you didn't look past two days of comments? Most of my comments over the past two days have been in this article and the other about Xinjiang, which are both about China. But you're right, I have an interest in it. Anyway, this thread with you is clearly off-topic, so I'm going to stop it. If have further questions for me, you can study my other comments or figure out a way to privately message me.
  - jonathanyc 8y ago
    I invite others to repeat the experiment for themselves. At this point I am starting to wonder if the Chinese government is playing both the pro and anti-Chinese sides in order to make both seem equally ridiculous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur I am seriously tired of this weird and new trend but I will continue to fight against it when I can because HN used to be better than this. EDIT: Just remembered the fact that Russian propagandists made both pro-Bernie and pro-Trump propaganda. Their goal was simply to divide Americans. I don't doubt that the Russians and the Chinese cooperate. Also I find it quite telling that Lionsion still refuses to respond to any of my points.
    - Lionsion 8y ago
      > Also I find it quite telling that Lionsion still refuses to respond to any of my points. Ok, I'll bite. Here's my response: You need to go outside and take a walk, because your "points" have been off topic, literally paranoid, and bizarrely personal. You're accusing me of being an "agent provocateur" and either a Chinese or Russian troll. That's crazy talk and utter nonsense. Ignoring you isn't "telling," it's frustration and a lack of better options. The truth is I'm a guy who was frustrated by a thread yesterday that was totally ruined by people who derailed it, perhaps like the 50 Cent Party would. Just to make it super clear: I don't think it was disrupted by the actual 50 Cent Party, but by people who maybe should consider learning to not act like it. Edit: I apologize to everyone who reads this thread (or the dead comments below). In situations like this, the correct action is to ignore someone like my interlocutor, but that's difficult when he makes personal attacks. I should have held firm despite them.
      - jonathanyc 8y ago
        Note that he has still refused to respond to any of my points (for example, that most of us can juggle multiple issues in our head at the same time) and instead is now resorting to personal attacks and avoiding anything of substance by claiming that he is "frustrated," which is the exact same tactic he used last time. I aim to leave my comments on this thread intact for the record, and I'm archiving this in case it proves relevant in the future. EDIT: We're starting to see the bizarre inconsistencies in his position rear their head as well. He writes in the exact same comment that > You're accusing me of being an "agent provocateur" and either a Chinese or Russian troll. That's crazy talk and utter nonsense. and then that > The truth is I'm a guy who was frustrated by a thread yesterday that was totally ruined by people who derailed it, perhaps like the 50 Cent Party would. What sort of bizarre hedging is saying that people are just acting "perhaps like" paid Chinese trolls? I am sorry if I have wasted others' time in reading these comments, but I am not exaggerating when I say that I think putting these things on the record is important for everyone.
        Lionsion 8y ago
        > What sort of bizarre hedging is saying that people are just acting "perhaps like" paid Chinese trolls? You need to re-read my comment, especially the sentence after the one you partially quoted. What I was getting at was that someone who inadvertently behaves like a propagandist should re-evaluate their behavior and modify it, because it's destructive (if it wasn't destructive, why would the propagandist do it?). For instance, someone pushing hyper-partisan memes on Facebook should stop because Russians agents literally do that same thing as a disruption tactic. > but I am not exaggerating when I say that I think putting these things on the record is important for everyone. I have nothing to hide: https://web.archive.org/web/20180518222349/https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17105115 https://web.archive.org/web/20180518222349/https://news.ycom... Anyway, you are not acting like a stable, sensible person. You're getting too worked up. Please, take a break. Do something relaxing or fun. This is not a productive derail that anyone else would benefit from.

jonathanyc 8y ago

Would you like to respond to my points, or are you going to use the same tactic you did last time and completely ignore what others write in order to push your own agenda? Why is it that your account is only 67 days old and >75% of your comments are about China? Do you even comment on normal Hacker News topics that aren't related to politics?

Lionsion 8y ago
> Would you like to respond to my points No. Please take your points to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17105121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17105121. > in order to push your own agenda? My agenda is to stay at least vaguely on-topic. > Why is it that your account only 67 days old yet >75% of your comments are about China? Do you even comment on normal Hacker News topics that aren't related to politics? Because you didn't look past two days of comments? Most of my comments over the past two days have been in this article and the other about Xinjiang, which are both about China. But you're right, I have an interest in it. Anyway, this thread with you is clearly off-topic, so I'm going to stop it. If have further questions for me, you can study my other comments or figure out a way to privately message me.
- jonathanyc 8y ago
  I invite others to repeat the experiment for themselves. At this point I am starting to wonder if the Chinese government is playing both the pro and anti-Chinese sides in order to make both seem equally ridiculous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur I am seriously tired of this weird and new trend but I will continue to fight against it when I can because HN used to be better than this. EDIT: Just remembered the fact that Russian propagandists made both pro-Bernie and pro-Trump propaganda. Their goal was simply to divide Americans. I don't doubt that the Russians and the Chinese cooperate. Also I find it quite telling that Lionsion still refuses to respond to any of my points.
  - Lionsion 8y ago
    > Also I find it quite telling that Lionsion still refuses to respond to any of my points. Ok, I'll bite. Here's my response: You need to go outside and take a walk, because your "points" have been off topic, literally paranoid, and bizarrely personal. You're accusing me of being an "agent provocateur" and either a Chinese or Russian troll. That's crazy talk and utter nonsense. Ignoring you isn't "telling," it's frustration and a lack of better options. The truth is I'm a guy who was frustrated by a thread yesterday that was totally ruined by people who derailed it, perhaps like the 50 Cent Party would. Just to make it super clear: I don't think it was disrupted by the actual 50 Cent Party, but by people who maybe should consider learning to not act like it. Edit: I apologize to everyone who reads this thread (or the dead comments below). In situations like this, the correct action is to ignore someone like my interlocutor, but that's difficult when he makes personal attacks. I should have held firm despite them.
    - jonathanyc 8y ago
      Note that he has still refused to respond to any of my points (for example, that most of us can juggle multiple issues in our head at the same time) and instead is now resorting to personal attacks and avoiding anything of substance by claiming that he is "frustrated," which is the exact same tactic he used last time. I aim to leave my comments on this thread intact for the record, and I'm archiving this in case it proves relevant in the future. EDIT: We're starting to see the bizarre inconsistencies in his position rear their head as well. He writes in the exact same comment that > You're accusing me of being an "agent provocateur" and either a Chinese or Russian troll. That's crazy talk and utter nonsense. and then that > The truth is I'm a guy who was frustrated by a thread yesterday that was totally ruined by people who derailed it, perhaps like the 50 Cent Party would. What sort of bizarre hedging is saying that people are just acting "perhaps like" paid Chinese trolls? I am sorry if I have wasted others' time in reading these comments, but I am not exaggerating when I say that I think putting these things on the record is important for everyone.
      - Lionsion 8y ago
        > What sort of bizarre hedging is saying that people are just acting "perhaps like" paid Chinese trolls? You need to re-read my comment, especially the sentence after the one you partially quoted. What I was getting at was that someone who inadvertently behaves like a propagandist should re-evaluate their behavior and modify it, because it's destructive (if it wasn't destructive, why would the propagandist do it?). For instance, someone pushing hyper-partisan memes on Facebook should stop because Russians agents literally do that same thing as a disruption tactic. > but I am not exaggerating when I say that I think putting these things on the record is important for everyone. I have nothing to hide: https://web.archive.org/web/20180518222349/https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17105115 https://web.archive.org/web/20180518222349/https://news.ycom... Anyway, you are not acting like a stable, sensible person. You're getting too worked up. Please, take a break. Do something relaxing or fun. This is not a productive derail that anyone else would benefit from.