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Clearly, it made an impression. I wish everyone took software as seriously as Jobs did and shouted at others when a point needed to be made. Say what you will a

Clearly, it made an impression. I wish everyone took software as seriously as Jobs did and shouted at others when a point needed to be made. Say what you will about a shouting boss not being nice or fun to work for, but I think getting shouted at undeniably makes you more attentive to an issue than if steve had tried to instruct him calmly.

gameswithgo 8y ago
The most powerful reaction I've ever seen from others to someone in power was a little old lady that quietly thanked everyone who was doing the correct thing. Which caused deep shame and reflection in all of us not doing the correct thing. There are ways to be make a point powerfully without screaming or being rude.
- corndoge 8y ago
  That was your own self imposed guilt because she was female and old. Someone of your own age and sex probably would not have the same effect.
philwelch 8y ago
It worked for Steve, for sure, but it's definitely not the only way. There's the famous Tim Cook story where he gets his point across, but instead of shouting, he's just ice cold: > ...One day back then, he convened a meeting with his team, and the discussion turned to a particular problem in Asia. > “This is really bad,” Cook told the group. “Someone should be in China driving this.” Thirty minutes into that meeting Cook looked at Sabih Khan, a key operations executive, and abruptly asked, without a trace of emotion, “Why are you still here?” > Khan, who remains one of Cook’s top lieutenants to this day, immediately stood up, drove to San Francisco International Airport, and, without a change of clothes, booked a flight to China with no return date, according to people familiar with the episode. The story is vintage Cook: demanding and unemotional. http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/24/technology/cook_apple.fortune/index.htm http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/24/technology/cook_apple.fortun...
- gommm 8y ago
  I'd argue though that given the current buggy state of macOs and ios, the awful keyboards on the recent mbps, the late release of a decent mac pro that Tim Cook is not demanding enough or doesn't actually get people to produce good work...
  - vkou 8y ago
    Or maybe Apple doesn't care about the desktop anymore.
    - dsr_ 8y ago
      Then the correct thing to do would be to stop making the things that they don't care about.
      - kijiki 8y ago
        They're in an awkward position where the entire company does their work on a platform that is not remotely strategically interesting to the company itself.
        jliptzin 8y ago
        Then at minimum they should be interested in making their own tooling better.
- holyheifer 8y ago
  That sounds like stupid management. You can say in a similar number of words what you want, but you prefer other people to try to read your mind and guess what you want? Or was that a test (yea but most people would wait till after the meeting even if implicitly they knew that was what he wanted, right?) I prefer Steve Jobs' shouting, but direct management anytime.
  - newsbinator 8y ago

gameswithgo 8y ago

The most powerful reaction I've ever seen from others to someone in power was a little old lady that quietly thanked everyone who was doing the correct thing. Which caused deep shame and reflection in all of us not doing the correct thing. There are ways to be make a point powerfully without screaming or being rude.

corndoge 8y ago
That was your own self imposed guilt because she was female and old. Someone of your own age and sex probably would not have the same effect.

philwelch 8y ago

It worked for Steve, for sure, but it's definitely not the only way. There's the famous Tim Cook story where he gets his point across, but instead of shouting, he's just ice cold: > ...One day back then, he convened a meeting with his team, and the discussion turned to a particular problem in Asia. > “This is really bad,” Cook told the group. “Someone should be in China driving this.” Thirty minutes into that meeting Cook looked at Sabih Khan, a key operations executive, and abruptly asked, without a trace of emotion, “Why are you still here?” > Khan, who remains one of Cook’s top lieutenants to this day, immediately stood up, drove to San Francisco International Airport, and, without a change of clothes, booked a flight to China with no return date, according to people familiar with the episode. The story is vintage Cook: demanding and unemotional. http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/24/technology/cook_apple.fortune/index.htm http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/24/technology/cook_apple.fortun...

gommm 8y ago
I'd argue though that given the current buggy state of macOs and ios, the awful keyboards on the recent mbps, the late release of a decent mac pro that Tim Cook is not demanding enough or doesn't actually get people to produce good work...
- vkou 8y ago
  Or maybe Apple doesn't care about the desktop anymore.
  - dsr_ 8y ago
    Then the correct thing to do would be to stop making the things that they don't care about.
    - kijiki 8y ago
      They're in an awkward position where the entire company does their work on a platform that is not remotely strategically interesting to the company itself.
      - jliptzin 8y ago
        Then at minimum they should be interested in making their own tooling better.
holyheifer 8y ago
That sounds like stupid management. You can say in a similar number of words what you want, but you prefer other people to try to read your mind and guess what you want? Or was that a test (yea but most people would wait till after the meeting even if implicitly they knew that was what he wanted, right?) I prefer Steve Jobs' shouting, but direct management anytime.
- newsbinator 8y ago