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> The thing is there's this strange, "uncanny" feeling I get whenever these things are shared too I posted this because I got super frustrated with all the der

> The thing is there's this strange, "uncanny" feeling I get whenever these things are shared too I posted this because I got super frustrated with all the derails and distractions that utterly destroyed the Xinjiang indoctrination camp post from yesterday. If you don't believe me you can look at my comment history.

noobermin 8y ago
Okay, so I understand how you feel. The thing is I clicked on that post and the top comments are critical of indoctrination camps. There's one top-level comment you replied to that pointed out an irony given the imprisoned population here in the US. The article details, AFAICT, the CCP's attempts to spread propaganda to its own people, not to the west, although I have no doubts it does try to spread it elsewhere. So given that, what is the likelihood that most of the critical, anti-US comments are in fact CCP propaganda hires? I don't know, but it seems a little bit much to assume everything is a plot to subvert people's opinions. I'm not a propagandist. I agree with the sentiment in the comment on that article (I missed) about the US imprisoned population. People can disagree with you and point out opinions you disagree with. I said earlier, somewhat sarcastically, it sucks that people are pushing things in this comment thread and voting down and flagging comments that point out other countries do the same. I am always somewhat paranoid, and anyone would given Snowden leaks and having read history about things like COINTELPRO, etc., but it was somewhat tongue in cheek (yes, I'm not perfect, I say mean things online like most people). Do I really believe all of you are US gov't plants trying to sway people to be belligerent to China? I don't think so. I get we should keep our eyes open, but we should be willing to accept that there are people who disagree with us, and not everyone who disagrees with us is a Russian/Chinese/etc bot. I'm actually really bothered by the attitude online these days that calls everyone who disagrees with us as being an astroturf. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it really helps to further strengthen the echo chambers we've created for ourselves.
dang 8y ago
Your comment history is extremely problematic for Hacker News, because you've been using it to engage in nationalistic flamewar. I don't care what your views are or which nations you have feelings about: doing this is as toxic as it gets. Edit: actually you went so far over the line that we banned the account. No one is allowed to turn HN into nationalistic hell, regardless of which nation they're fighting for. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17108836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17108836
- Lionsion 8y ago
  > Your comment history is extremely problematic for Hacker News, because you've been using it to engage in nationalistic flamewar. I don't care what your views are or which nations you have feelings about: doing this is as toxic as it gets. I feel you've misread my comment(s). The feelings I expressed weren't about any nations, but rather about a particular HN thread. If that's "as toxic as it gets," sorry. I don't think I was personally being very nationalistic, ether. Maybe others were, though. All I wanted was a thread to stay on topic. > Edit: actually you went so far over the line that we banned the account. No one is allowed to turn HN into nationalistic hell, regardless of which nation they're fighting for. Sorry. I did not think I was engaging in any personal attacks or "nationalistic flame-war," rather just responding to Jonathanyc, who: 1. Followed me, personally, from another thread because they seemed to believe they were entitled a response to some off-topic "points." 2. Made baseless accusations against me, such as accusing me of being an "agent provocateur," a Russian or Chinese troll, and someone who was engaging in the "political abuse of psychology." I think Jonathanyc's behavior was far more characteristic of a "personal attack." You're the mod and can ban and unban who you like, but I do hope there's at least some consistency in treatment. Anyway, I think I got very little warning here, and I feel I might be getting judged for the actions of others. I really don't see any of my comments rising to the level of a "flame," except maybe the exasperated ones that were in response to direct personal attacks against me might barely qualify.

noobermin 8y ago

Okay, so I understand how you feel. The thing is I clicked on that post and the top comments are critical of indoctrination camps. There's one top-level comment you replied to that pointed out an irony given the imprisoned population here in the US. The article details, AFAICT, the CCP's attempts to spread propaganda to its own people, not to the west, although I have no doubts it does try to spread it elsewhere. So given that, what is the likelihood that most of the critical, anti-US comments are in fact CCP propaganda hires? I don't know, but it seems a little bit much to assume everything is a plot to subvert people's opinions. I'm not a propagandist. I agree with the sentiment in the comment on that article (I missed) about the US imprisoned population. People can disagree with you and point out opinions you disagree with. I said earlier, somewhat sarcastically, it sucks that people are pushing things in this comment thread and voting down and flagging comments that point out other countries do the same. I am always somewhat paranoid, and anyone would given Snowden leaks and having read history about things like COINTELPRO, etc., but it was somewhat tongue in cheek (yes, I'm not perfect, I say mean things online like most people). Do I really believe all of you are US gov't plants trying to sway people to be belligerent to China? I don't think so. I get we should keep our eyes open, but we should be willing to accept that there are people who disagree with us, and not everyone who disagrees with us is a Russian/Chinese/etc bot. I'm actually really bothered by the attitude online these days that calls everyone who disagrees with us as being an astroturf. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it really helps to further strengthen the echo chambers we've created for ourselves.

dang 8y ago

Your comment history is extremely problematic for Hacker News, because you've been using it to engage in nationalistic flamewar. I don't care what your views are or which nations you have feelings about: doing this is as toxic as it gets. Edit: actually you went so far over the line that we banned the account. No one is allowed to turn HN into nationalistic hell, regardless of which nation they're fighting for. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17108836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17108836

Lionsion 8y ago
> Your comment history is extremely problematic for Hacker News, because you've been using it to engage in nationalistic flamewar. I don't care what your views are or which nations you have feelings about: doing this is as toxic as it gets. I feel you've misread my comment(s). The feelings I expressed weren't about any nations, but rather about a particular HN thread. If that's "as toxic as it gets," sorry. I don't think I was personally being very nationalistic, ether. Maybe others were, though. All I wanted was a thread to stay on topic. > Edit: actually you went so far over the line that we banned the account. No one is allowed to turn HN into nationalistic hell, regardless of which nation they're fighting for. Sorry. I did not think I was engaging in any personal attacks or "nationalistic flame-war," rather just responding to Jonathanyc, who: 1. Followed me, personally, from another thread because they seemed to believe they were entitled a response to some off-topic "points." 2. Made baseless accusations against me, such as accusing me of being an "agent provocateur," a Russian or Chinese troll, and someone who was engaging in the "political abuse of psychology." I think Jonathanyc's behavior was far more characteristic of a "personal attack." You're the mod and can ban and unban who you like, but I do hope there's at least some consistency in treatment. Anyway, I think I got very little warning here, and I feel I might be getting judged for the actions of others. I really don't see any of my comments rising to the level of a "flame," except maybe the exasperated ones that were in response to direct personal attacks against me might barely qualify.