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I get the "We think your business is a scam and so we are terminating our relationship" but I don't understand why "... and we'll keep the money." doesn't resul

I get the "We think your business is a scam and so we are terminating our relationship" but I don't understand why "... and we'll keep the money." doesn't result in criminal charges.

smartician 8y ago
What's even worse is that they won't tell you what you allegedly did wrong. You can appeal, but you have to guess what you did wrong and provide evidence, but you can't even access your click data anymore since you're now locked out. It's like being in a relationship with a psychotic person.
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- joering2 8y ago
  Exactly and that's one of not-so-many reasons I'm so happy for GDPR to kick in! Basically a big fuck you to Google: "give me all the data you have on me or I will report you and you may be on the hook for 4% of your revenue".
  - ariwilson 8y ago
    google.com/takeout
    - RobAley 8y ago
      The reason you've been down voted is that takeout gives you all YOUR data that they hold, not THEIR data about you (which GDRP now says is mostly now your data)
      - joering2 8y ago
        Whats even crazier is that I used that tool and google took 4 hours to build my archives. Fair enough. Problem is... some files are not mine!!! clearly not my name not my email address not my correspondence. No idea how this is happening. I will reach out to this person but other than that no idea where to reach to google as their checkout page does not offer any "contact us". I am also concerned someone using this tool will get my own data!!!
jonknee 8y ago
Because the publisher agreed to that when they started the relationship?
- castlecrasher2 8y ago
  You can sign your rights to class action lawsuits away, too, but I still find it wrong.
VeronicaJJ123 8y ago
My business lost around $90k for a perfectly legitimate website that actually did amazing CTR too.
greglindahl 8y ago
All ad networks take money away from publishers all of the time. For example, it takes a while to compute the quality score of ad clicks and realize that a site's traffic is full of bots that click on ads and never buy anything. The publisher will see income that gets subtracted back out, sometimes a month or two later. The advertiser (presumably) gets a refund. It appears that Google did something different this time, I don't know what.
- rtx 8y ago
  Maybe they didn't return the money back to customers.
  - jacquesm 8y ago
    That's a given.
    - dangrossman 8y ago
      On the advertiser side of Google's services, I have a refund for "invalid activity" on almost every monthly statement going back nearly a decade. > You received a credit because we found invalid activity on your ads. What is it: Invalid activity refers to clicks and impressions that we suspect aren't the result of genuine customer interest. We don't charge you for invalid activity on your ads. Example: Invalid activity includes clicks and impressions performed by automated tools, as well as accidental clicks – for instance, if someone double clicks your ad.
      - jacquesm 8y ago
        Sure, but you'll never be in a position to audit that data. No independent 3rd party verification would ever do for Google ads.
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Fnoord 8y ago
Coinhive works that way as well. I believe it is justified to call both a scam by themselves. Why? Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (innocent until proven guilty). The problem lies with our justice system though. If it were more efficient we'd have less things like self-censorship and self-moderation.
- always_good 8y ago
  > Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (innocent until proven guilty). Seriously?
  - thaumasiotes 8y ago
    ...yes? "[The burden of] proof lies on him who states [a claim], not who denies [it]."
    - tree_of_item 8y ago
      I think it's about the use of Latin for a phrase with a common English version.
      - JetSpiegel 8y ago
        With a verbatim translation. How apropos.
        checkyoursudo 8y ago
        Don't you mean "How apropos (appropriate)"? Or (on the nose) maybe.
  - duncan_bayne 8y ago
    He just doesn't grok it does he?
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I get the "We think your business is a scam and so we are terminating our relationship" but I don't understand why "... and we'll keep the money." doesn't result in criminal charges.

smartician 8y ago

What's even worse is that they won't tell you what you allegedly did wrong. You can appeal, but you have to guess what you did wrong and provide evidence, but you can't even access your click data anymore since you're now locked out. It's like being in a relationship with a psychotic person.

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joering2 8y ago
Exactly and that's one of not-so-many reasons I'm so happy for GDPR to kick in! Basically a big fuck you to Google: "give me all the data you have on me or I will report you and you may be on the hook for 4% of your revenue".
- ariwilson 8y ago
  google.com/takeout
  - RobAley 8y ago
    The reason you've been down voted is that takeout gives you all YOUR data that they hold, not THEIR data about you (which GDRP now says is mostly now your data)
    - joering2 8y ago
      Whats even crazier is that I used that tool and google took 4 hours to build my archives. Fair enough. Problem is... some files are not mine!!! clearly not my name not my email address not my correspondence. No idea how this is happening. I will reach out to this person but other than that no idea where to reach to google as their checkout page does not offer any "contact us". I am also concerned someone using this tool will get my own data!!!

jonknee 8y ago

Because the publisher agreed to that when they started the relationship?

castlecrasher2 8y ago
You can sign your rights to class action lawsuits away, too, but I still find it wrong.

VeronicaJJ123 8y ago

My business lost around $90k for a perfectly legitimate website that actually did amazing CTR too.

greglindahl 8y ago

All ad networks take money away from publishers all of the time. For example, it takes a while to compute the quality score of ad clicks and realize that a site's traffic is full of bots that click on ads and never buy anything. The publisher will see income that gets subtracted back out, sometimes a month or two later. The advertiser (presumably) gets a refund. It appears that Google did something different this time, I don't know what.

rtx 8y ago
Maybe they didn't return the money back to customers.
- jacquesm 8y ago
  That's a given.
  - dangrossman 8y ago
    On the advertiser side of Google's services, I have a refund for "invalid activity" on almost every monthly statement going back nearly a decade. > You received a credit because we found invalid activity on your ads. What is it: Invalid activity refers to clicks and impressions that we suspect aren't the result of genuine customer interest. We don't charge you for invalid activity on your ads. Example: Invalid activity includes clicks and impressions performed by automated tools, as well as accidental clicks – for instance, if someone double clicks your ad.
    - jacquesm 8y ago
      Sure, but you'll never be in a position to audit that data. No independent 3rd party verification would ever do for Google ads.
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    - 8y ago

Fnoord 8y ago

Coinhive works that way as well. I believe it is justified to call both a scam by themselves. Why? Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (innocent until proven guilty). The problem lies with our justice system though. If it were more efficient we'd have less things like self-censorship and self-moderation.

always_good 8y ago
> Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (innocent until proven guilty). Seriously?
- thaumasiotes 8y ago
  ...yes? "[The burden of] proof lies on him who states [a claim], not who denies [it]."
  - tree_of_item 8y ago
    I think it's about the use of Latin for a phrase with a common English version.
    - JetSpiegel 8y ago
      With a verbatim translation. How apropos.
      - checkyoursudo 8y ago
        Don't you mean "How apropos (appropriate)"? Or (on the nose) maybe.
- duncan_bayne 8y ago
  He just doesn't grok it does he?

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