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I don't know if this is a sentiment others share, but I feel like at some point from 2003-2015 (thinking in terms of 4chan's history) the Internet went from hav

I don't know if this is a sentiment others share, but I feel like at some point from 2003-2015 (thinking in terms of 4chan's history) the Internet went from having people who said really crazy shit just being weird people from the Internet to people who said really crazy shit distinctly being far-right and far-left people. Or, they were labeled as such, when in the past, they wouldn't have been.

SheepSlapper 8y ago
It's a shift in culture, with an added heap of laziness. We're in a time where people like to compartmentalize people/views/ideas in order to dismiss or demonize, because it's easier to do that than challenging ideas (someone else's or your own). We went from one identity in the US (American) to putting ourselves and others in boxes (black, white, man, woman, whatever) to the detriment of us all. Identity politics: a curious game... the only winning move is not to play.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > We're in a time where people like to compartmentalize people/views/ideas in order to dismiss or demonize As opposed to exactly what time in the history of humanity where this was not the case?
  - SheepSlapper 8y ago
    Maybe I phrased that poorly, because you're right that we've engaged in this 'otherization' since the beginning of time (for good reasons and bad). Maybe a more important factor is that we're increasingly putting OURSELVES into boxes, which increases the polarization of discourse (because now WE identify as a group and not a whole, and those OTHER groups aren't US so clearly they're wrong/bad/etc). This ebbs and flows throughout history (or rather the US and THEM changes, based on circumstances). There are plenty of unifying events in US history that lead to more of an 'American' identity (wars, 9/11, generally dangerous times or shitty events drive unification out of necessity). Those aren't the times we're in now, but it's cyclical. Some day we will be again, then not, ad infinitum. The pendulum always swings.
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      > Maybe a more important factor is that we're increasingly putting OURSELVES into boxes Tribal identity is also not new. If there is anything new, it is the existence of a situation where identity tribes can be maintained while being geographically diffuse and intermixed with other identity tribes, which makes it less likely for conflict between identity groups to be quickly resolved to a more stable state by the losing group being excluded from a geographically region with residual members being expelled, forcibly converted or voluntarily assimilated into the locally dominant group, or killed. Arguably, this is in many ways an improvement, though it does make ongoing inter-group invective worse.
    - iaml 8y ago
      Interesting thought - maybe, there is a cure. Bear with me now, but isn't the main problem here the fact that massive ego builds a wall between you and other opinions? If so, there is a whole group of substances that do exactly the opposite - promote closeness to peers and temporary suppress ego.

SheepSlapper 8y ago

It's a shift in culture, with an added heap of laziness. We're in a time where people like to compartmentalize people/views/ideas in order to dismiss or demonize, because it's easier to do that than challenging ideas (someone else's or your own). We went from one identity in the US (American) to putting ourselves and others in boxes (black, white, man, woman, whatever) to the detriment of us all. Identity politics: a curious game... the only winning move is not to play.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> We're in a time where people like to compartmentalize people/views/ideas in order to dismiss or demonize As opposed to exactly what time in the history of humanity where this was not the case?
- SheepSlapper 8y ago
  Maybe I phrased that poorly, because you're right that we've engaged in this 'otherization' since the beginning of time (for good reasons and bad). Maybe a more important factor is that we're increasingly putting OURSELVES into boxes, which increases the polarization of discourse (because now WE identify as a group and not a whole, and those OTHER groups aren't US so clearly they're wrong/bad/etc). This ebbs and flows throughout history (or rather the US and THEM changes, based on circumstances). There are plenty of unifying events in US history that lead to more of an 'American' identity (wars, 9/11, generally dangerous times or shitty events drive unification out of necessity). Those aren't the times we're in now, but it's cyclical. Some day we will be again, then not, ad infinitum. The pendulum always swings.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > Maybe a more important factor is that we're increasingly putting OURSELVES into boxes Tribal identity is also not new. If there is anything new, it is the existence of a situation where identity tribes can be maintained while being geographically diffuse and intermixed with other identity tribes, which makes it less likely for conflict between identity groups to be quickly resolved to a more stable state by the losing group being excluded from a geographically region with residual members being expelled, forcibly converted or voluntarily assimilated into the locally dominant group, or killed. Arguably, this is in many ways an improvement, though it does make ongoing inter-group invective worse.
  - iaml 8y ago
    Interesting thought - maybe, there is a cure. Bear with me now, but isn't the main problem here the fact that massive ego builds a wall between you and other opinions? If so, there is a whole group of substances that do exactly the opposite - promote closeness to peers and temporary suppress ego.