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> The model of select first, action after (reverse of vim) is so so much better for me. You mean, like the visual modes in Vim? Where you select text before ru

by dozzie 8y ago

> The model of select first, action after (reverse of vim) is so so much better for me. You mean, like the visual modes in Vim? Where you select text before running a command on it?

vanviegen 8y ago
Yes, you could say that all selection operations work in visual mode by default. Combined with multi-cursor / multi-selection, this turns out to very powerful.
tomsthumb 8y ago
Sorry, which of the three visual selection modes are you referring to?
notheguyouthink 8y ago
Sure, but that's just one aspect. For me, it's the most meaningful one though.
- dozzie 8y ago
  I get it that you have your reasons to use Neovim more than Vim, and a large number of them is probably difficult to articulate, but framing it like Vim had no mode for selecting text visually is unfair.
  - notheguyouthink 8y ago
    I don't think visual selections in vim work the same as in kakoune though, do they? It's a powerful primitive in Kakoune, from regex to multiple cursors. My vim knowledge on selection mode is quite limited however, so I can't directly compare them. Can you just turn on selection mode and use that all the time? I may have to try that, as it sounds like you're suggesting it's a first class feature in Vim. Something I never got the feeling of.
    - dozzie 8y ago
      > I don't think visual selections in vim work the same as in kakoune though, do they? I have no idea. I've never used Kakoune. > Can you just turn on selection mode and use that all the time? How would you use that? Have a text selected all the time or what?
      - notheguyouthink 8y ago
        Not sure, I've not used selection mode all the time lol. You're the one who (due to my interpretation) implied Kakoune and Vim were similar on the text selection mode. Ie, even ignore advanced features, Kakoune fundamentally is permanently in a select->action mode, rather than vim's action->motion mode. You replied to my comment of the reversed select->action mode that Kakoune uses saying that Vim can do the same thing with Visual Selection mode. So that's why I asked, is that something I can just work in all the time? Because with Kakoune, I am working in that all the time. That's why I asked, because you countered saying Vim can do that, but I don't want to constantly go into visual mode. I work in Kakoune none stop like that, it's core to the editor. Can visual mode do that?
jean- 8y ago
It's much more powerful than that, though. Among other things, it integrates very well with Kakoune's excellent support for multiple cursors. You can get an idea of the kind of things that are possible from this demo: https://vimeo.com/82711574 https://vimeo.com/82711574

by dozzie 8y ago

> The model of select first, action after (reverse of vim) is so so much better for me. You mean, like the visual modes in Vim? Where you select text before running a command on it?

vanviegen 8y ago

Yes, you could say that all selection operations work in visual mode by default. Combined with multi-cursor / multi-selection, this turns out to very powerful.

tomsthumb 8y ago

Sorry, which of the three visual selection modes are you referring to?

notheguyouthink 8y ago

Sure, but that's just one aspect. For me, it's the most meaningful one though.

dozzie 8y ago
I get it that you have your reasons to use Neovim more than Vim, and a large number of them is probably difficult to articulate, but framing it like Vim had no mode for selecting text visually is unfair.
- notheguyouthink 8y ago
  I don't think visual selections in vim work the same as in kakoune though, do they? It's a powerful primitive in Kakoune, from regex to multiple cursors. My vim knowledge on selection mode is quite limited however, so I can't directly compare them. Can you just turn on selection mode and use that all the time? I may have to try that, as it sounds like you're suggesting it's a first class feature in Vim. Something I never got the feeling of.
  - dozzie 8y ago
    > I don't think visual selections in vim work the same as in kakoune though, do they? I have no idea. I've never used Kakoune. > Can you just turn on selection mode and use that all the time? How would you use that? Have a text selected all the time or what?
    - notheguyouthink 8y ago
      Not sure, I've not used selection mode all the time lol. You're the one who (due to my interpretation) implied Kakoune and Vim were similar on the text selection mode. Ie, even ignore advanced features, Kakoune fundamentally is permanently in a select->action mode, rather than vim's action->motion mode. You replied to my comment of the reversed select->action mode that Kakoune uses saying that Vim can do the same thing with Visual Selection mode. So that's why I asked, is that something I can just work in all the time? Because with Kakoune, I am working in that all the time. That's why I asked, because you countered saying Vim can do that, but I don't want to constantly go into visual mode. I work in Kakoune none stop like that, it's core to the editor. Can visual mode do that?

jean- 8y ago

It's much more powerful than that, though. Among other things, it integrates very well with Kakoune's excellent support for multiple cursors. You can get an idea of the kind of things that are possible from this demo: https://vimeo.com/82711574 https://vimeo.com/82711574