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To say there are NO theories as to how this can operate and NOT violate conservation laws is incorrect. Laymen just don't comprehend that there are possible th

To say there are NO theories as to how this can operate and NOT violate conservation laws is incorrect. Laymen just don't comprehend that there are possible theoretical paradigms they have not considered or are not aware of, so their knee jerk reaction is "not possible!": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF_resonant_cavity_thruster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF_resonant_cavity_thruster "Vacuum energy Main articles: Zero-point energy, Quantum vacuum thruster, and Pilot wave Harold White, the lead scientist in the NASA investigations, suggested in 2014 that their model could be an example of a quantum vacuum thruster (QVT). This is a theoretical system that would use magnetohydrodynamics to generate thrust, similar to conventional plasma thrusters, only using the fleeting vacuum quantum fluctuations of the zero-point field as an extremely low-density plasma.[82][23][83][84] White's 2016 paper states that pilot-wave theories, non-mainstream interpretations of quantum mechanics based on the de Broglie–Bohm theory, may help explain how QVTs could "push off of the quantum vacuum and preserve the laws of conservation of energy and conservation of momentum.". In 2017, a Portuguese team published a paper proposing pilot-wave theory as a possible explanation to the EmDrive thrust, that would not break conservation laws. The principle is that a sufficiently strong asymmetrical electromagnetic field could act as a pilot wave. The cavity would then be attracted toward regions of higher electromagnetic intensity. The researchers propose to increase thrust by shaping the cavity with an exponential form like that of a trumpet bell instead of a frustum.[85][86]"

roywiggins 8y ago
Does this sidestep the perpetual motion problem? https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.00494 https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.00494
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jasonwatkinspdx 8y ago
> Laymen just don't comprehend that there are possible theoretical paradigms they have not considered or are not aware of, so their knee jerk reaction is "not possible!" Skepticism about the EmDrive from Physicists has been nearly universal. There's always a few contrarians and heretics, but the consensus is what it is for good reason: it's best supported by the evidence. This is not about "laymen" lacking comprehension, and the condescension doesn't help your case.
- noetic_techy 8y ago
  > Skepticism about the EmDrive from Physicists has been nearly universal. So what? Skepticism and status quo consensus does not push any field forward into new territory. The vast majority of physicist I would argue are simply refiners of areas pioneered by a scant few others, or working in the industry (myself included). Like it or not, these refiner types aren't the ones earning Nobels. You see this in almost all fields. Current AI advancement originated with maybe 3 researchers pioneer theories, its didn't spontaneously manifest from the consensus Computer Science crowd. Its the open minded mavericks on the outskirts types looking for a way to walk the line or even circumvent current understanding that stumble upon possible breakthrough science where others can move in and refine. Sorry, but it really bugs me when I see relatively smart (but still not Physicist) techy types (relative physics laymen in my mind) defaulting to "it cant be therefor it isn't" logic. This is the Argument from Ignorance logical fallacy. Have they even bothered to read the alternative explanations that might explain the experimental result? You can read a few in my wiki link above. If not then what the F do they know then! Sure it could be just measurement error, or it could be the biggest breakthrough in space travel we've seen and may lend credence to an obscure theory such as pilot waves and quantum vacuum flux. Better not look under that rock through because it might upset the consensus who says there's nothing there. /s People don't realize how closed minded that sort of mindset really is. Armchair know-nothings looking for anything to shoot down and pat themselves on the back for deserve condescension.

roywiggins 8y ago

Does this sidestep the perpetual motion problem? https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.00494 https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.00494

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jasonwatkinspdx 8y ago

> Laymen just don't comprehend that there are possible theoretical paradigms they have not considered or are not aware of, so their knee jerk reaction is "not possible!" Skepticism about the EmDrive from Physicists has been nearly universal. There's always a few contrarians and heretics, but the consensus is what it is for good reason: it's best supported by the evidence. This is not about "laymen" lacking comprehension, and the condescension doesn't help your case.

noetic_techy 8y ago
> Skepticism about the EmDrive from Physicists has been nearly universal. So what? Skepticism and status quo consensus does not push any field forward into new territory. The vast majority of physicist I would argue are simply refiners of areas pioneered by a scant few others, or working in the industry (myself included). Like it or not, these refiner types aren't the ones earning Nobels. You see this in almost all fields. Current AI advancement originated with maybe 3 researchers pioneer theories, its didn't spontaneously manifest from the consensus Computer Science crowd. Its the open minded mavericks on the outskirts types looking for a way to walk the line or even circumvent current understanding that stumble upon possible breakthrough science where others can move in and refine. Sorry, but it really bugs me when I see relatively smart (but still not Physicist) techy types (relative physics laymen in my mind) defaulting to "it cant be therefor it isn't" logic. This is the Argument from Ignorance logical fallacy. Have they even bothered to read the alternative explanations that might explain the experimental result? You can read a few in my wiki link above. If not then what the F do they know then! Sure it could be just measurement error, or it could be the biggest breakthrough in space travel we've seen and may lend credence to an obscure theory such as pilot waves and quantum vacuum flux. Better not look under that rock through because it might upset the consensus who says there's nothing there. /s People don't realize how closed minded that sort of mindset really is. Armchair know-nothings looking for anything to shoot down and pat themselves on the back for deserve condescension.