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StackOverflow's job board has the "Joel Test" part where employers posting jobs can check off the points from https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/08/09/the-joel

StackOverflow's job board has the "Joel Test" part where employers posting jobs can check off the points from https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/08/09/the-joel-test-12-steps-to-better-code/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/08/09/the-joel-test-12-s... that they fulfill. One of them is "quiet working conditions", which comes close. Before looking it up just now, I could have sworn the point was something like "every developer has a door they can close", but oh well. Anyway, I hoped you could search only for jobs where this box was checked by the company, but apparently not... EDIT: It does allow searching for minimal salary and remote jobs, among the wishes listed in a sibling comment.

Clubber 8y ago
Wow that would really turn the tables; a job board where companies must not only disclose their interviewing practices and durations but their office environment as well. It would be developer centric so developers can pick and choose the companies they want to work for based on often hidden parameters. Just the transparency requirements would automatically filter out most the chaff companies. I might have to build that out of spite. :)
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maxsilver 8y ago
> Before looking it up just now, I could have sworn the point was something like "every developer has a door they can close", but oh well. EDIT: Ok, my mistake, my memory is failing me. "Doors that close" is used in a whole bunch of Joel blog posts, and "walls and doors" is used in the original Joel Test description. But WaybackMachine seems to confirm that the official label from the "Joel Test" has always been "quiet working conditions" and does not appear to have been changed.
- tom_mellior 8y ago
  Sounds plausible, but the blog post from 2000 also has it as "Do programmers have quiet working conditions?" So unless Joel went back and rewrote the past, it might be our memories. I am fairly sure that he did have another blog post that stated explicitly that every developer at FogCreek had a door.
- Clubber 8y ago
  I remember the "all developers should have offices" from Joel. Did he change his mind recently?

Clubber 8y ago

Wow that would really turn the tables; a job board where companies must not only disclose their interviewing practices and durations but their office environment as well. It would be developer centric so developers can pick and choose the companies they want to work for based on often hidden parameters. Just the transparency requirements would automatically filter out most the chaff companies. I might have to build that out of spite. :)

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maxsilver 8y ago

> Before looking it up just now, I could have sworn the point was something like "every developer has a door they can close", but oh well. EDIT: Ok, my mistake, my memory is failing me. "Doors that close" is used in a whole bunch of Joel blog posts, and "walls and doors" is used in the original Joel Test description. But WaybackMachine seems to confirm that the official label from the "Joel Test" has always been "quiet working conditions" and does not appear to have been changed.

tom_mellior 8y ago
Sounds plausible, but the blog post from 2000 also has it as "Do programmers have quiet working conditions?" So unless Joel went back and rewrote the past, it might be our memories. I am fairly sure that he did have another blog post that stated explicitly that every developer at FogCreek had a door.
Clubber 8y ago
I remember the "all developers should have offices" from Joel. Did he change his mind recently?