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This is amazing news; I feel like Apple's lifting of restrictions has something to do with modifying your phone's software now being legal in the US. It's proba

This is amazing news; I feel like Apple's lifting of restrictions has something to do with modifying your phone's software now being legal in the US. It's probably only beneficial to them to have all of this content available through their App Store outlet if people can easily get it anyway.

city41 16y ago
I think you greatly overestimate the percentage of iOS users that even know what jailbreaking is.
- CamperBob 16y ago
  I don't know about that. I know a lot of people with jailbroken iPhones, whom we'd all think of as "computer-illiterate" at best. Jailbreaking is very much a mainstream activity these days. Edit: I'll go so far as to speculate that the large proportion of jailbroken iOS devices is what is driving the glasnost at Apple lately. They are faced with keeping some control over their customers's devices, or losing the control they still have. With widespread jailbreaking, the market has decisively rejected Apple's attempt at total control, while simultaneously embracing the products themselves.
  - ryanpetrich 16y ago
    I would estimate the majority of users on jailbreak aren't very technically savvy--the most of the emails I receive regarding the software I have hosted on Cydia are about on par with YouTube comments.
  - loewenskind 16y ago
    >the market has decisively rejected Apple's attempt at total control If it's so decisive you must be able to cite it pretty easily, eh? I'm plenty "tech savvy" but I've never jailbroken my phone. I like the safety the App Store gives me. I don't have time to vet every damn application and I'm happy that some else does, even if they fail to let few a few things I might have liked.
    - CamperBob 16y ago
      If it's so decisive you must be able to cite it pretty easily, eh? Google returns "about 1,150,000 results" for the term jailbreakme. I think that'll do.
      - loewenskind 16y ago
        You're pretty easy to convince. Even if every single one of those results represented a person who jail broke their phone then there are still several times more people who haven't then have. I don't think the phrase "decisively rejected by the market" means what you think it means.
        CamperBob 16y ago
        Translation: "I don't like the data."
        loewenskind 16y ago
        what data? One Google query? Again, you seem to not understand how this whole "research" thing works. I really hope you're not a real life reporter because you're either being extremely intellectually lazy with your "argument" or you're trying to be purposely deceptive (again, in an extremely lazy manner). The only real data that's actually been provided shows the exact opposite of your ignorant "decisively rejected" quote. It's funny when people spend so much effort trying to defend an obviously nonsensical statement. You were wrong. So what? We all say things that turn out to be incorrect, it's no big deal.
- patrickk 16y ago
  A friend doesn't know what a browser is, yet he has a jailbroken iPhone so he can use winterboard. He paid someone to do it for him.

city41 16y ago

I think you greatly overestimate the percentage of iOS users that even know what jailbreaking is.

CamperBob 16y ago
I don't know about that. I know a lot of people with jailbroken iPhones, whom we'd all think of as "computer-illiterate" at best. Jailbreaking is very much a mainstream activity these days. Edit: I'll go so far as to speculate that the large proportion of jailbroken iOS devices is what is driving the glasnost at Apple lately. They are faced with keeping some control over their customers's devices, or losing the control they still have. With widespread jailbreaking, the market has decisively rejected Apple's attempt at total control, while simultaneously embracing the products themselves.
- ryanpetrich 16y ago
  I would estimate the majority of users on jailbreak aren't very technically savvy--the most of the emails I receive regarding the software I have hosted on Cydia are about on par with YouTube comments.
- loewenskind 16y ago
  >the market has decisively rejected Apple's attempt at total control If it's so decisive you must be able to cite it pretty easily, eh? I'm plenty "tech savvy" but I've never jailbroken my phone. I like the safety the App Store gives me. I don't have time to vet every damn application and I'm happy that some else does, even if they fail to let few a few things I might have liked.
  - CamperBob 16y ago
    If it's so decisive you must be able to cite it pretty easily, eh? Google returns "about 1,150,000 results" for the term jailbreakme. I think that'll do.
    - loewenskind 16y ago
      You're pretty easy to convince. Even if every single one of those results represented a person who jail broke their phone then there are still several times more people who haven't then have. I don't think the phrase "decisively rejected by the market" means what you think it means.
      - CamperBob 16y ago
        Translation: "I don't like the data."
        loewenskind 16y ago
        what data? One Google query? Again, you seem to not understand how this whole "research" thing works. I really hope you're not a real life reporter because you're either being extremely intellectually lazy with your "argument" or you're trying to be purposely deceptive (again, in an extremely lazy manner). The only real data that's actually been provided shows the exact opposite of your ignorant "decisively rejected" quote. It's funny when people spend so much effort trying to defend an obviously nonsensical statement. You were wrong. So what? We all say things that turn out to be incorrect, it's no big deal.
patrickk 16y ago
A friend doesn't know what a browser is, yet he has a jailbroken iPhone so he can use winterboard. He paid someone to do it for him.